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>>and guys cut the "internet needs ads" crap

I imagine you must have never ever used a google product then?


perfect case in point. generating all this revenue for google based on basically tricking and redirecting old people into shit they dont need. i think ads are easy and successful and wrong. you cant imagine any other way to pull off popular internet services without ads? shit son


Of course I can and I am not saying that everyone should use ads. I am saying that the biggest internet company on the planet built its entire empire on ads - I think that in the light of that, saying that the "the internet doesn't need ads" ignores this huge oil-tanker sized elephant in the room.


How exactly would a website like reddit monetize itself without ads? Donations?

Or for that matter, how would HackerNews itself exist (without a YC parent) if getting users to subscribe was not an option?


https://ssl.reddit.com/gold

Probably like that...?


but my point is that hackernews does survive. its not a pipedream


HN survives because it is a tool to recruit high quality people/teams to YC. There have been articles saying YC is worth $1billion so running HN with no revenue is worth it.

Saying all sites can follow this model is not feasible.


I wouldn't go as far as to say "the internet needs ads", but clearly if you're running an ad blocker, the sites you visit do need ads.

Ad blocking is textbook prisoner's dilemma. As long as it's only being done by a minority, it's no big deal - but if we all do it, we're fucked.


i was harsh.. i do in fact know some people who depend on ad revenue to keep servers running. but ads on the internet are generally out of control and i think its a huge bubble, even the ad revenue that my friends rely on is just garbage that i would never want anybody to click on...

anyway the main point stands - if you publish an ad blocker it should block ads.

suddenly a simple concept gets really complicated when there is an "application process" and set of "criteria" by which ads can be whitelisted -- who defines this criteria? is it always published? am i donating to a project that is actually commercially supported? etc

also was anybody else confused by this (from https://adblockplus.org/blog/acceptable-ads-by-the-numbers):

"Over 50 percent [of applicants] rejected because ads not acceptable.

In all, we accepted only 9.5 percent of applicants."

That math seems weird...


> who defines this criteria? is it always published?

The ABP developers define and publish them here: https://adblockplus.org/en/acceptable-ads#criteria

The "acceptable ads" whitelist is accessible here: https://easylist-downloads.adblockplus.org/exceptionrules.tx...

> That math seems weird...

From the page you linked: The actual acceptance rate is only 9.5 percent – there are a good amount of fake applications or communication breakdowns that account for this discrepancy.




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