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Those axioms can still be evaluated, quantified and compared, and eventually calculated.



Based on what criteria? A set of meta-axioms?


Based on whether they take you to places you don’t want to end at, which is an incomplete measure but quite a pragmatical one. E.g. if your set of axioms end at “erase half of the population by force”, then perhaps revisit your axioms.


That's what soulofmischief is saying. If your reasoning ends at somewhere you don't like emotionally, then your axioms are bad i.e. your actual axioms are emotional. Which is fine!


No, no meta axioms. Just by quantifying whatever we can as much as possible to be as objective as possible.


"as possible" means an incomplete system that still relies on assumed axioms.


Maybe. I don't think so though. I think everything can be quantified and qualified.


Unless you can provide a proof, it remains conjecture.


I think what this branch of comments is trying to do is to reinvent `ideology` as a word.


I have no interest in ideology and don't see even the concept as relevant to any point I've made.


I'm not trying to call anyone out, just thought that what is being discussed is concepts laid out doughnut shaped around that word.


That's fair enough, I guess you could say my position is perhaps an ideology, but I do belief it can be defended objectively as possible.


My gut still tells me this relies on a human-defined optimization metric.




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