It's hard to me to see how a site with a vision like Quora (had) can continue existing for long after they start ignoring accessibility issues.
Sounds like I should be looking for a Stack Overflow alternative too.
(I'm suspecting that this might be related to the recent issue of better accessibility also making it easier to abuse for neural network based abusers, and it certainly looks like a hard problem to solve for the most popular websites.)
Accessibility is important. But it doesn’t relate to success of a company. Besides, modern screen readers and even accessibility affordances on modern cell phones - at least iPhones - don’t struggle or care whether the site uses JavaScript
Surely my absence played no pivotal role in their downfall. I didn't
even know Quora had "died". How sad. RIP Quora. But a tjpnz said:
"They're also driving away contributors with more altruistic motivations"
Now, I can agree with that, because I see a very strong alignment
between the set of people who strongly uphold their own values and
have self-respect, and those who stand up for the rights of others and
have something to give.
The "walled garden" internet basically drives away people who give a
fuck.
One other way of saying “drives away people who give a fuck” could be saying those people are self-aggrandizing, self important, always yelling at the top of their lungs about their zealotry telling everyone at first opportunity about how they turn off JavaScript and don’t contribute the much to the discussion
I liken people like this to the Amish. They balk at modernity as being incompatible with their beliefs. So they withdraw from the world and live life as they see fit.
What they don’t do is go around all the time yelling at people telling them how their lifestyle is wrong or constantly telling other people how they don’t use certain technologies.
He’s right, people who always talk about they don’t use sites that require Javacript adds about as much to the conversation as people who show up in television conversations and say “I haven’t owned a television in 20 years, do people still watch TV?”
If we stick with that analogy, then since HN requires no Javascript,
it's more like we're having a discussion on a radio show, and I am
saying "I don't really watch much TV", no?
What I hear is that Javascript is a means of speed and power to
you. And for you, forgoing that power would serve no useful
purpose. Do I understand that correctly?
What I am wondering is, do you think that for other people, they
should, maybe even must, feel the same way? Even if they are very
pleased just listening to the radio?
Of course. What I do not want or need is code that's been part of the
web since about 2016-2020, which is arbitrary code execution by
complete strangers. Not even in a sandboxed disposable web browser.
Now I suspect you'll want to tell me how actually Javascript is
perfectly safe... and that's a conversation we can save for another
day for the sake of both our dignity and friendship. I'm afraid it's
my job to know otherwise.
If you knew about that many exploits in the wild, surely you could (white hat) tell the company who created the browser or (black hat) make a lot of money by selling it to three letter agencies or private companies that sell it to three letter agencies.
However, in the real world, a fully patched Android or iOS operating system - especially one that is in “lock down mode” is not any more susceptible to
Zero day exploits than the number of other exploitable parts of the OS that you also don’t have any control over.
And even if you only run open source software, how long was the OpenSSL bug in operating systems before it was discovered?
Do you use your mobile’s messaging system? That’s been one of the primary targets of exploits that will target you directly.
I appreciate your sincere and sweet overtures scarface, but I'm just
not that kinda javascript girl. You're right though, everything out
there is riddled with holes. Let's not give up though.
