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I suspect smartphones affect this in two ways.

One is that they put the Internet in everybody's hands, literally.

The other, though, is that by virtue of the interface, both display (tiny) and input (shitty, to put it mildly), the effective IQ of those participating, regardless of whatever it was initially, is severely penalised.

When I'm typing at a keyboard, I can look at the words I'm typing, or the source I'm typing from, or just off into space as I'm thinking my thoughts ... and be reasonably assured that what I think I'm typing is what's actually appearing on screen. And if not, editing to correct and fix issues is reasonably straightforward. If necessary I'll switch to a Real Editor (that is, vim, Vale Bram Moolenaar) which is another quantum leap beyond in-browser textbox editing.

When I'm typing at a virtual touchscreen keyboard, I am staring at the keys themselves and trying to hit the the keys I'm actually intending to hit. I'm not monitoring the output (which invariably has errors), I'm not looking at source text, I'm not thinking and composing my thoughts.

And then editing what I've written is also painful.

The resulting typos, losses of thought, and general incoherence in my own writing absolutely pains me to look at. From what I can tell, other people seem to suffer similarly.

I've given up using mobile devices for input (unless I can use a hardware keyboard, and even that rarely), and ... frankly it's a much improved situation.

Smartphones shallow the mind in many ways.




I write much longer comments on my laptop and desktop computers than on my phone. The pains you mention make me write less even when I want to write more. Do not confuse this with “I have made this longer than usual because I have not time to make it shorter.” (Pascal, 1657, though others have said something similar and folklore attributes the idea to many more) - I do often revise long comments on my computer to be shorter, but they are still much longer than what I'd write on my phone. If I spent more time on them on my computer I'd write them even shorter, but still much longer because what I want to say is normally long and complex and a phone just makes the complexity too hard to write.

You won't be surprised I've never got the point of limited space places like twitter...


Dittos ;-)


Have you ever heard about the MessagEase keyboard? It's a pretty radical departure from the usual touch qwerty. Once you get the muscle memory down, you can even disable the letters completely. Right now I'm typing on a featureless black 3x3 grid (save for a purple dot in the center). It's a great conversation starter too, cause folks see me typing and are universally like "wtf how are you typing".

I never thought of it, but now that you mention it, yeah my eyes are on the text, not on the typing.

I switched to messagease in the first place because I make far less mistakes and it's faster to fix a one-letter goof than redo a whole word with swype (sometimes several times, also the gestures fail on unusual or jargon words).

https://www.exideas.com/ME/index.php


I haven't, though I do recall Graffiti from PalmOS with some fondness.

The concept here does look as if it fits touchscreens better, appreciate your mentioning it.


This sort of looks like the Japanese Kana keyboard on iOS


Everything you said + progressing hypermetropia for the last 25 years. When mobile screens got half decent sizes, I already hated the medium.

When people said that those text pages, around 2000, what was the name? WAP? were going to get everybody online, I was very skeptical. But of course, that was pre-iPhone.


I remember WAP, and had an early-phase smartphone with limited Web support (Palm Treo/Centro) which ... remains one of the better phones that I've had (hard keyboard among other features). You wouldn't want to read much on that, but as a quick on-the-go reference, particularly when travelling, it was handy.

One of my daily drivers is a large (13.3") e-ink tablet. Reading on that is actually a pleasure, though it's led me to another conclusion: scrolling sucks.

I much prefer reading paginated media, and if at all possible, fixed-layout media (e.g., PDFs rather than ePub) both because the same material stays in the same place on the same page regardless of other settings (I have a strongly spatial memory), and because the layout is usually just simply much better than what fluid-layouts achieve.

What really drives me nuts though is having to scroll on webpages. It's imprecise, half the time I'm clicking on something I'd not intended to, and it's much harder and less pleasing to read.

But size and print clarity alone make this a huge improvement over smartphone displays.

Sorry to hear about the eyesight issues.


The eyesight I wouldn't complain at all. Until recently I didn't need glasses, except for reading. Hypermetropia is also called far-sightness for a reason. Worst period is when I only used glasses for the screen. Someone would come to interrupt and talk, I took the glasses off, then we were commenting on the screen contents, I put it on again, then back to talk and glasses off...

At home I use a 27'' screen with the regular glasses. I fear that if for a next job at some office they don't provide a similar one, the situation will repeat, now with regular glasses vs reading glasses :-m

I much prefer reading paginated media, and if at all possible, fixed-layout media (e.g., PDFs rather than ePub)

ePub didn't grow on me and I couldn't put my finger on why, I guess that's the reason.

About WAP phones, this was the one the company provided:

https://www.reddit.com/r/vintagemobilephones/comments/gefgsm...

Not bad, but not much I could do with it and they took away when I resigned.


Gradient lenses may be in your future...

The problem of focusing at multiple distances is ... a challenge.


IDK, those are a different version of the annoyance. Instead of changing glasses, you change the angle.


Pick your poison.


I find that it heavily depends what kind of scrolling happens.

I am fine with "instantly jump by constant amount per mousewheel click"

Smooth scrolling ? Much worse

Smooth scrolling custom-implemented in JS, with ramp-in ramp-down speed? Close the webpage


On desktop, I have the option of scrolling via spacebar or page-up/down keys.

This is reasonably determinative (the scroll distance is the same in each case), convenient (it's easy to hit those keys), and not confusable with other intent actions. That last point is key as very often when I'm attempting a scroll action on a touchscreen interface I instead commit a click action (usually navigating off-page). Which is maddening.

On touchscreens, not only can I not scroll by a prescribed amount, not only is input through an onscreen keyboard completely crippled, but there's an ever-present drag/click ambiguity which on Android at least (and from my limited experience with iPhones suggests there too) is everpresent.

Add in e-ink, and there are the additional levels that refresh rates drop low enough that following scrolling is tedious, and the display technology makes the many, many paints of a long scroll expensive in terms of battery life. Web browsing drains battery at 10x the rate of my e-book reader.

Einkbro at least mitigates some of that. Going back to Firefox or Onyx's Chrome-based browser is excruciating.


Check out eInkBro Browser if you haven't already. It saved my sanity when I started using my eInk tablet.


Oh, I'm a huge fan and can't live without it.

I've reported issues / feature requests to Daniel multiple times, most of those have been addressed.

The "save to ePub" feature is among my absolute favourites. It's simply genius:

<https://toot.cat/@dredmorbius/107958709435468728>


I miss times when there were sensible smartphones still available with proper keyboard...




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