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New emojis in 2023-2024 (emojipedia.org)
94 points by ourmandave on July 15, 2023 | hide | past | favorite | 188 comments



I'd be delighted if the deep fried version of "crying laughing emoji" were to become a thing: "open eye crying laughing emoji"

To me it signifies something that holds the middle between glee, hysterical laughter and psychotic rage. Unicode really misses a codepoint with this specific energy, in my opinion.

[1] https://knowyourmeme.com/memes/open-eye-crying-laughing-emoj...


I know it won't happen because of course it won't, but in general I feel as though the world would be better if corporations were more unhinged when it comes to design. Un-deprecate <marquee>, use images with non-transparent backgrounds, really just go for it.


You bet! I'd actually take time to open our inane corporate newsletters if they included something actually worth looking at instead of bland images of well dressed humans laughing at laptops. It seems we've entered a perennial age of bland safety, from inoffensive language to soft bland visual design to my fucking car beeping at me when I dare open the door before shutting off the engine.


Along those lines, I wish the 1990s web designs with bold web-safe colors, like HotWired, would make a comeback.

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/HotWired


Google has made a sticker in this direction: https://emoji.supply/kitchen/?%F0%9F%98%82+%F0%9F%98%B3=ndp


Hot damn these are amazing


It should become a modifier so you can add psychotic energy to any emoji.

I support adding as much complexity as possible until emoji transcends languages to become the ultimate communication medium or collapses under the weight.


Soon we will have machine to machine communication between large language models, where they communicate their internal state using high dimensional vector streams of emoji modifiers


One issue with Emojis is wrong implementation messing things up. For example, I wondered why there is no "pouting" emoji. Turns out there is such an emoji in the spec, but someone (probably Apple) decided to use that Unicode point for "red angry face" (additional to the original "angry face", which is yellow). Then all the others followed the Apple design to ensure consistency. Now the Unicode consortium can't introduce a "pouting face" emoji anymore, since they technically already did!

There are quite a few of those cases. Apparently it is mostly Apple messing up the specified emotion and the others copying the error.


I would say it's more Softbanks fault[1] in this case - NTT DoCoMo's and KDDI's Emoji was clearly pouting IMO, Softbanks was... more angry-ish? Especially the earlier, pre-2008 versions.

[1] https://emojipedia.org/pouting-face/ (you can click on the actual vendor emoji on the right to get a history / previous versions)


There‘s a couple of the original Japanese emoji that have the problem that their visual idioms don’t translate 1:1 to Western idioms, and thus have unfortunately now been distorted in the process.


There should be separate emojis for gun, squirt gun, and ray gun.


Couldn't they rename the existing one to represent actual usage, then introduce a new code point?


I wonder if they're ever going to decide that enough emoji is enough, or will continue adding more until every word in the dictionary is an emoji. There have been some ridiculous inclusions in the past years despite more obvious candidates that are still missing.

The great thing about emoji used to be the constraints, which made for a clear overview of available emoji and made people use the limited set in creative ways to express different things. Besides the more extraneous options, they never should've started adding things like skin/hair color modifiers imo, sticking to the single yellow/neutral color instead. Counterproductively, that opened up ways for people to not feel represented.


> I wonder if they're ever going to decide that enough emoji is enough,

Really hard to do by this time. Since they allowed so many it's harder to say no. They have a burrito, but why no kebap, yet? They have person's playing basketball or golfing, but no person playing football (any variant) putting a stop to it gives an arbitrary set and restricts representing develoment in society (they have kick scooters which are modern, but what about the future successor?)

But of course, the more they add the harder it is to use. These new directional ones can be hidden as variants similar to skin color etc is currently handled in UIs, but individual ones ...

Deprecating also isn't an option. Text using those exists. They can't really break it.


There is a precedent (https://blog.unicode.org/2022/03/the-past-and-future-of-flag...) to stop accepting new emojis in certain categories, so the hope is not fully out that that can happen to other sections. Maybe at one point they say "We won't be accepting Emoji proposals regarding sports anymore, unless they're listed by X entity or in the Plympics", or something like that.


But even that precedent isn't absolute:

> Wait, if a country gains independence and is recognised by ISO, does that mean no flag emoji for them?

> Flags for countries with Unicode region codes are automatically recommended, with no proposals necessary! First their codes and translated names are added to Unicode’s Common Locale Data Repository [CLDR], and then the emoji become valid in the next version of Unicode. These emoji are also automatically recommended for general interchange and wide deployment.

So making it dependent, as you described, on recognition by a different governing body seems quite likely.


Flags are special because they’re made by combining special letter codepoints. A new flag doesn’t change the standard so much as change the way devices display those ligature-like codepoints.

(My favorite fun Unicode fact: naively reversing a string containing the flag for Spain will turn it into the flag for Sweden. ES —> SE)


Welcome to the world where every idiosyncrasy is considered an identity worth representing, through emojis or other means, generating a never-ending breakdown of people into groups that feel excluded.


Which identities do you consider excessive?

I'm also confused as to how a lime or a shaking head is an identity.


Or, ya know, sometimes it's just fun to add a lime emoji to a text...


But how do we put de lime in de coconut?!


You’re fighting the good fight for braindead take representation.


Eh?



Oh, missed that addition! Thanks! And it didn't come up in a name search.


I genuinely hope that emojis keep being added. A lot of meaning can be packed into a single emoji which (usually) transcends language and culture.

It's been fascinating to see emoji work their way into everyday usage, even in professional settings. I would love to see the day where emoji becomes a viable form of cross-cultural shorthand.


> I would love to see the day where emoji becomes a viable form of cross-cultural shorthand.

I have my doubts regarding this. We're already seeing a situation where different groups within a single culture, the young and the old, use many common emoji in ways that differ dramatically (at least in the west), sometimes even with opposing meanings. If the meanings of emoji aren't stable even within a single culture, how could they ever hope to transcend culture?


Oh god this. I get emails from students with emoji and I very frequently have to ask them, “How are you using this one?”

Of course, the fascinating thing is that different groups of kids use the same emoji slightly differently. So.


The same way we manage words with multiple meanings or different words which sound the same: context and history


Reminds me of the Chinese written language.

People who speak different dialects or languages can still communicate with written Chinese.

I remember at a conference talking to a Japanese guy and a guy from Korea. I wrote my name in Chinese and they could both read it, but said it in their native language.


> There have been some ridiculous inclusions in the past years despite more obvious candidates that are still missing.

Well, obvious missing to you. That's probably why it will always expand, no one will agree on when it's done, including you. ;)


I use Emojis for my gardening site as icons for taxonomical families. So I would welcome some berries and maybe more vegetables.


Have you looked at fork awesome? It's an icon toolkit that basically gives you a lot more emojis https://forkaweso.me/Fork-Awesome/


I have used Font Awesome back in the days. Have not used this one yet. Bookmarked just in case. Thanks.


Have you heard of this thing called an image?


Emoji are zero cost resources for websites on most devices and have the benefit of matching the users expectations of iconography across the system, not to mention being accessible by default.

It’s really a win win of size reduction, consistency and accessibility.

The only competitive systems are something like font-awesome icons or SFSymbols. The latter isn’t available to sites afaik though.


> consistency

There's no consistency, because different operating systems and web browsers display emoji differently, and emoji availability depends crucially on the OS or browser version.


The consistency is that if you use a (mushroom) emoji as an icon for your stuff, users on Windows will immediately know what it is because they are aware of how the emojis on their OS work. Same with Android, iOS, etc. Not that all emojis are the same across all devices.


This is less consistent than images, which are generally rendered the same on all devices. Worse, though, is the broken black boxes that appear when someone uses a newer emoji that your browser or operating system version doesn't yet support, which happens all of the time.


Not sure why you're being so argumentative about a misunderstanding of definitions?

Users know what emoji are, full stop, and you don't have to serve images (which can be expensive). Is it perfect? No, but nothing is.


> Not sure why you're being so argumentative about a misunderstanding of definitions?

There's no misunderstanding of definitions. The argument is about whether emojis are "really a win win". I don't think they are, for reasons I've explained. Specifically, with regard to needing icons for "berries and maybe more vegetables", you can already do this with small jpgs that would not take much bandwidth, and in general there's more consistency in jpg support across different software then there is in emoji support.

Waiting for the Unicode committee to add emoji for every possible object in the world seems like madness to me.


They seem to have a real hate for emojis based on the rest of the comments they’re leaving on this post.

I think they’re just approaching every argument from that perspective so any positive is treated cynically


The emoji is consistent across their system. That’s the consistency that matters to most users.


Incorrect, because emoji are being used to communicate with other people on different systems. That's their primary purpose, not to write to yourself.


I’m not sure why you’re struggling with this concept.

It is consistent for the user on whatever system they are on. If they switch between apps, they see the same emoji that they’re familiar with.

The web developer doesn’t have to care what the icon looks like. They just say: use this emoji that semantically means “flower”. They know it may look different to other users but it will look like what that individual user is familiar with.


> I’m not sure why you’re struggling with this concept.

I'm not struggling with any concept.

It's a simple fact that as emojis continually get added to Unicode, not all browsers and operating systems support all emoji, and so one person sees a broken black box where another person sees the emoji. That's gross inconsistency.


> so one person sees a broken black box where another person sees the emoji

Yeah in general but in this case it is probably just me and few friends who use that site.


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> So let’s not use html either because someone can clutch pearls all day that some ancient browser on some EOL system might not support a specific new html tag.

Ancient? The submitted article is "New emojis in 2023-2024" about "the draft emoji candidates up for approval by Unicode this September". Thus, no software even supports the new emoji yet, and ironically they have to use png images to show what the emoji will look like.

I'm done talking with you. This is getting too ridiculous. Moreover, your "pearl clutching" remarks are stepping over the line and violating the HN guidelines: https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html


Emojis are great as quick icons that take zero work to source, add in, align with text in the layout and size consistently.

Absolutely nothing wrong with that, especially since people on hn love to complain about inclusion of unnecessary assets in websites that could be more lightweight.


Every platform has its own set of pictures for emojis. How can you possibly align and size them consistently?


I don't know what you are saying, they are always sized and aligned based on the font size regardless of platform or their appearance.


Looked it up, "image" sounds just like Emoji but with extra steps, annoying.


Hh sure I even like to create some. But for this purpose I do not bother. I need something small that I can just use for personal purpose. It works well with outdoor internet - where it is used. Adds bit of accent on minimal site to ease the navigation.

I do not really care if they add more veggies etc. I mentioned it as user-case in context of adding random Emojis.


I'll suggest genitals and breasts as the most obvious missing emojis. Most other major body parts are included.


Well, there's the eggplant and the peach.


Skin color emojis are the weirdest thing. I always find it slightly odd if someone changed them from the default yellow. Why would one care?


Speaking as a person with light-colored skin, the default-yellow emoji still basically look like me. Or, a version of me that's on the Simpsons, at least.

I imagine that if I had dark skin, I'd feel a bit alienated by this experience. I'd be using these symbols that were supposed to represent me / my-reactions, but which very much didn't look like me. There'd be this pervasive sense that I was not included, not important enough to be the one represented.

That would kinda suck. I don't have to experience that, and I'm happy to have emoji set up so that people who don't look like me also don't have to experience it.

Put another way, would you care if the default emoji color was changed to be dark-skinned?


> I imagine that if I had dark skin, I'd feel a bit alienated by this experience.

And the change is literally skin deep. They added skin color, but not racial features. The "black man" emoji just looks like a white guy with dark skin.

Imagine if I was a dwarf. I'd feel a bit alienated that all emojis are of tall people. Shouldn't there be a dwarf modifier for every emoji: dwarf man facepalming, dwarf woman shrugging, dwarf man bride, &c

If you felt yellow is too white, they should have changed emojis to magenta or something. Adding variants makes them unusable.


Let's make them all dark brown then. I'm sure you wouldn't object.


Seems fair. All the initial homo sapiens had black skin, so I guess it would be more representative.


maybe the old forums had it right, and we should have gone with green or blue


That could just be a system wide setting to change all the emojis to appear how you want it to.

There's no need to send the colour to fix this issue.


I am white. I kept mine yellow for a long time.

Then I noticed that most of the non-white people I knew were changing them - and actively celebrating when new skin-color variants were added.

I realized that by keeping mine white I was not being ‘color-blind’, I was, at least to some, saying something like ‘I’m happy with the default because I think it adequately represents me’. Perhaps I did feel that, to be honest!

On top of that, I could even be seen as passive-aggressively saying ‘your choice to use the skin colored emoji is unimportant and/or wrong’, which is certainly not what I felt at all!

The whole Simpsons argument (emojis weren’t created in a vacuum - the Simpsons came first and there the ‘default’ yellow is obviously representing ‘white’) was in my mind a little when considering all this.

I use the second-lightest white ones now.


In other words you succumbed to peer pressure from a crowd that is obsessed with identity labels.

I see people of all shades use tones. To me it just says "btw I'm <race>". I can't help but think "who cares" in the back of my mind. I don't think yellow icons "represent me" either, I'm not self-inserting into The Simpsons.

At the risk of being overly dramatic for a discussion about emoji, I think that dismissing the concept of "color-blindness" in favor of "race consciousness" and other assorted identity politics, which led to hyper-focus on superficial characteristics like skin color, has done more to foster racism than anything else in the last few decades.


The Simpsons features non-yellow characters. Yellow characters are white.

Lego actually is a stronger precedent for ‘yellow is what color you make a person when you don’t mean to identify race’. Once they started adding movie character minifigs they introduced white skin as well.

But the journey there also gives the lie to ‘yellow minifigs we’re never coded white’. The very first Star Wars Lego sets shipped with yellow minifigs for characters like Luke, Leia and Han. It was only once they started to think about shipping characters like Lando Calrissian and Mace Windu that they realized ‘wait a minute, we’re never going to get away with a yellow Lando’.

(And actually around the same time they were also dealing with releasing NBA player minifigs.. the decisionmaking at Lego must have been pretty complicated at the time)


In other words you succumbed to peer pressure from a crowd that is obsessed with identity labels.

That’s not what I consider myself to have done. My non-white friends and colleagues are not, in my experience, ‘obsessed with identity labels’. They were just choosing an emoji that looked a little more like them, and a little less like the ‘default’ [that did _not_ look like them, but arguably did look like me] when representing themselves.

This is all in contexts where I knew who I was communicating with, btw (Slack, text messages etc.). In anonymous settings I might think differently.

In a ‘color-blind’ world perhaps it would not really matter to you what color people’s emojis were, just like in real life?

As a bit of a meta-comment, I suggest that if you want to convince others of your beliefs you might want to present them with a little more humbleness and kindness apparent in your words. Your first two paragraphs are quite confrontationally phrased.


I also don't get it, it should be a system wide setting and not something the sender specifies, I don't see any point in having some additional info not representing the meaning.


There is meaning, though -- it's specifically saying something about the person sending it and how they chose to present themselves.


I don't think there's any value to that though, emojis were more neutral before they added a color skin to it. Instead of reading "I'm happy", now you have a combination of "I'm happy but also white" or "I'm happy but also black", I don't think that belongs here and I don't see any point to that.

If you don't like how they appear, some system setting could be made for changing the overall colours to switch them all to black, white, green or any other colour.


Why in heaven's name should it be a system wide setting? What sense would that make?


The whole feature doesn't make any sense in my opinion anyways. But if people are really sensitive to how emoji appears (a big if in my opinion since emojis are trivial but let's go with it), they could change them in the settings.


Maybe because your entire lived experience has been reordered based on your skin color and how it isn't a light yellow color. Powerful cultural strands exist in your community to push back against constraints placed upon you because of your skin color. Maybe seeing the only option for skin color in tech be much more representative of white skin color only serves to further remove your lived reality from public debate and understanding.

Highlighted beyond irony by comments like this.


Nobody has a light yellow colour. It was chosen so as to not to refer to any ethnicity in particular.

BTW. If your skin actually has turned yellow then you should seek the nearest hospital emergency room ASAP, because it can be a sign of acute liver failure.


Like another commenter said in a sibling thread, yellow is still a non-dark color, and yellow characters represent white people in cartoons like The Simpsons.


Why do you think a yellow emoji represents a white skin color?


Have you watched the Simpsons? There's some powerful cultural baggage here.

Anyway, it certainly implies not-dark skin...


You may as well say it implies not-white skin as well. The only thing it implies in regard to skin color is bright yellow.


Then why is Apu brown?


Why are tomatoes red?


> I wonder if they're ever going to decide that enough emoji is enough, or will continue adding more until every word in the dictionary is an emoji.

Emojis, like language, is social and will continue to change.


It’s unlike language because words can fluidly be invented or fall out of use. Emoji is designed by a committee. If it expands to include everything it will just be unusable. Why not just use pictures at that point anyway?


Oh yeah, languages are never controlled by committee

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Acad%C3%A9mie_Fran%C3%A7aise


The existence of a committee, even an influential one, for a language does not mean that that committee actually controls that language. In the end, it's always the people who use a language that control it, not just in theory, but also in practice, as evidenced by how many of the Académie Française's proposals for pure French equivalents to English loanwords have failed to supplant the latter. These committees also tend to only concern themselves with low hanging fruit that is easy to point at, such as vocabulary, grammar, and spelling (which is technically speaking external to a language rather than part of it), while barely if at all targeting anything that would require more than an elementary-school-level understanding of language, such as phonetics/phonology, so their commentary also rarely even covers all aspects of the language.


That's not comparable. The French Academy doesn't dictate what words are allowed to be spelt on phones.


Why do you think it will be unusable? Chinese and Japanese have IME.


I input Chinese everyday and it’s fairly simple. You input a phonetic sequence and choose the character. I already find it hard to use emoji. It takes forever to scan through the faces to find the one I want, and search online sometimes helps because emoji often have a popular use that isn’t congruent with their “official” purpose.


I don't know if there's a default OS solution that's any good, but I have a file of emoji + their text names and I use bemenu (like dmenu) to filter through it by name and put the selection on my clipboard. I bind this script to super-z on my keyboard in my Sway config. I based it on something[0] I found online that used dmenu or rofi and input the text for you. I adapted it to work better on Wayland by using a Wayland-native menu instead.

[0] https://github.com/LVMBDV/emoji

I'm probably missing some newer ones now. Not sure how the original list was made.

Emacs's M-x insert-char may be able to do something kinda similar. I know describe-char works great for identifying an emoji at least.


Windows, macOS, iOS, and Android all have dedicated emoji keyboards with search readily accessible. All Apple keyboard (software or hardware) from the last… 5(?) years have a button to bring it up!


Though in Linux there isn't only one window manager. This guy/woman/? chose to use his specific window manager (probably a tiling one), but he/she/xe could also use GNOME if he/she/xe wanted to. GNOME does have an emoji keyboard.

btw, this is much cooler than GNOME or whatever...


> They chose to use their specific window manager (probably a tiling one), but they could also use GNOME if they wanted to. GNOME does have an emoji keyboard.

There you go! Made it much easier for you and the reader!

But really,

> I'm not sure which window manager they're using, but GNOME does have an emoji keyboard

Even better!


Thanks, turns out I am not good at forming sentences. I'm not gonna edit it so your comment doesn't get irrelevant.


Just wait for or create an Emoji IME which suggests emoji based on name. This already exists in Windows 10.


I can't remember which program it was, but there's one that has Unofficial support for combining most emoji (so (cowboy) (cat) becomes a cowboy cat, for instance). I kind of like that idea.



https://emojikitchen.dev/

Googles emoji kitchen


Gboard has something like that


Mobile-phone OS vendors like Apple and Google invent cute little pictures for people to send to each-other in text messages (and, mostly coincidentally, type into other apps and post to the web.) Then they tell the Unicode Consortium that they've invented these little pictures, and they're planning on putting them in their software, and so the Unicode Consortium better assign them codepoints, because if they don't, they'll just encode those pictures with a proprietary encoding and send them anyway, like ICQ and MSN did back in 2001.

And then the Unicode Consortium does give them a codepoint — because the whole point of Unicode is that there shouldn't be any text on the Internet that can't have its meaning determined 50 years from now because it was encoded in some proprietary now-lost encoding.

This is how it was from the very beginning. The first emoji codepoints in Unicode were added in order to have a valid projection-mapping into Unicode of the "SJIS with emojis" text written on Japanese mobile phones that became common on the Japanese Internet — including documents like "cellphone novels" with high historical preservation value.



Speaking of obvious candidates, somehow Unicode still doesn't include the "external link" symbol, despite it being used almost everywhere (and fitting the original mission of accurately transcribing text)

https://www.unicode.org/L2/L2018/18303-external-link.pdf


This is why I stopped using emoji 5 years and never looked back. It's a really stupidly designed system if you need operating system updates just to read text! I won't participate in that insanity anymore.

Emoji have become trite, lazy, and practically meaningless, especially a few such as "face with tears of joy", "rolling on the floor laughing face", and "fire". Emoticons used to be a supplement for words, indicating the tone of the words, but now emoji are a replacement for words, the ultimate illiteracy.

The reductio ad absurdum is the recent Canadian legal case where the court determined that a "thumbs up" emoji signals a binding contract.


> Emoticons used to be a supplement for words, indicating the tone of the words, but now emoji are a replacement for words, the ultimate illiteracy.

People have been using things like "lol" and "lmao" since long before Unicode even existed, let alone emojis.


> People have been using things like "lol" and "lmao" since long before Unicode even existed

Sure, but how are emojis superior to this? Text is universally compatible, whereas emoji introduce compatibility and versioning issues across browsers and operating systems.

Besides the technical universality of text, it's also demographically universal. We've replaced "lol" with laughing-face-of-specific-skin-color-and-hair-style-and-gender-and-,etc., which is a worse situation than the original.

Of course "lol" is English-specific, but if you can't read another language, then what exactly would you be laughing at anyway? Different languages are always a barrier to communication, regardless of whether emoji are used.


> Text is universally compatible, whereas emoji introduce compatibility and versioning issues across browsers and operating systems.

To be specific, they introduce a lot more of such issues, but such issues were already there with plain text as well. Fonts that don't support some characters, fonts where some characters are displayed incorrectly (the whole CJK unification fiasco), fonts where some characters are not distinguished (I've run into the is-this-an-I-or-an-l issue quite a few times, personally).


> The reductio ad absurdum is the recent Canadian legal case where the court determined that a "thumbs up" emoji signals a binding contract.

Why do you believe so?

If "Looks good," "Ok," and "Yup" signal a binding contract, as detailed in the case you're talking about, I contend it's perfectly reasonable for :thumbsup: to also signal a binding contract between the same parties. [0]

Consider:

> 5. For instance, on July 14, 2020, after discussing and agreeing on a contract with Chris Achter, I prepared a contract for the sale of 185 metric tons [sic] of durum wheat from Achter Ltd. to SWT for a price of $312.31 per ton [sic]. I signed the contract and then took a photo of it using my cell phone and sent it to Chris at 306-264-7664. I messaged: “Please confirm terms of durum contract.” Chris texted me back: “Looks good”. At the time, I understood this to be that Chris was agreeing to the contract and this was his way of signally [sic] that agreement. Achter Ltd. delivered on this contract without issue. A copy of the contract and text message is attached as Exhibit “B”.

> 6. On September 11, 2020, after discussing and agreeing on a contract with Chris Acter [sic], I prepared a contract for the sale of 131 metric tons [sic] of durum wheat from Achter Ltd. to SWT for a price of $284.77 per ton [sic]. I signed the contract and then took a photo of it using my cell phone and sent it to Chris at 306-264-7664. I messaged: “Please confirm terms of durum contract”. Chris texted me back: “Ok”. At that time, I understood this to be that Chris was agreeing to the contract and this was his way of signally [sic] that agreement. Achter Ltd. delivered on this contract without issue. A copy of the contract and the text messages is attached as Exhibit “C”.

> 7. On October 21, 2020, after discussing and agreeing on a contract with Chris Acter [sic], I prepared a contract for the sale of 395 metric tons [sic] of durum wheat from Achter Ltd. to SWT for a price of $308.65 per ton [sic]. I signed the contract and then took a photo of it using my cell phone and sent it to Chris at 306-264-7664. I messaged: “Please confirm terms of durum contract”. Chris texted me back: “Yup”. At that time, I understood this to be that Chris was agreeing to the contract and this was his way of signally [sic] that agreement. Achter Ltd. delivered on this contract without issue. A copy of the contract and the text messages is attached as Exhibit “D”.

[0] https://www.canlii.org/en/sk/skkb/doc/2023/2023skkb116/2023s...


> If "Looks good," "Ok," and "Yup" signal a binding contract, as detailed in the case you're talking about, I contend it's perfectly reasonable for :thumbsup: to also signal a binding contract between the same parties.

I wasn't criticizing the decision in the case. I'm neither a lawyer nor a Canadian and have no opinion about that.

I was criticizing the entire situation, the absurdity of emoji becoming a matter of legal controversy.


Why is the sequence of bytes representing 是的 (Shì de - yes), valid human symbolic language, but the sequence of bytes representing thumbs up "absurd" language? Nowhere in the Rules of Human Language, Volume 12023, does it say "language must comprise a fixed set of symbols that is locked in time".


This is not about gradual language evolution in general. It's about the specific stupidity of emoji, as I already explained:

> Emoji have become trite, lazy, and practically meaningless, especially a few such as "face with tears of joy", "rolling on the floor laughing face", and "fire". Emoticons used to be a supplement for words, indicating the tone of the words, but now emoji are a replacement for words, the ultimate illiteracy.

Also, even worse, emoji are "evolving" so damn fast and continually that they appear as broken boxes if you're not running the very latest browser or operating system version.


I think every noun should have an emoji. Why not? I'm allowed to talk about lemons, but not limes? Why? Better that every noun has a single canonical representation.


It took them ages to a add a dumpling emoji!


I feel for the artists whose job it is to draw and organize nearly 4000 little vector images, most of which will barely ever be used to communicate anything.

I'm going to imagine that it's functionally impossible to make a font with full emoji support now unless you're a massive corporation. (Not that it's an issue really, but there's only so far you can push the list of required code points right? You can leave off entire character sets if they aren't used in the target language you produce a font for. On the other hand, leaving off the head shaking emojis is going to be unforgivable for a lot of people that feel like they're being left out because of their phone OS choice or something.)


Actually, once you're going to support CJKV languages, and especially more than one of those at the same time, the idea of single font for single document just goes out of window. It already is out of window, just you don't notice it unless you have CJKV users or literacy.

The way it has to work is <english> part of sentences must be rendered in an English font</english>, <chinese-simplified>requires own appropriate font inline</chinese-simplified> and <chinese-traditional>part requires another appropriate font, because there are no distinction in the text binary between Simplified Chinese,</chinese-traditional>, <Japanese>and any other Chinese language variants</Japanese>.

What this has to do with emoji is, same is going on with emoji; emoji is own "language", and the way it has to be and it is supported right now is by switching fonts and calling whoever default and/or can supply missing characters in-line and per-character.

Well, maybe the ship still is on domestic waters on CJKV because there are conspicuous reserved areas in Unicode assignments to hold all CsCtJKV(?) symbols separately, but for emojis it has.


That's true! I know that, it's the reason why every OS has its own well known style of emoji. The fonts people use day-to-day don't cover the emoji characters so it falls back to whatever massive default font is installed.

Just thinking that wall is getting higher every time they add new emoji or new ZWJ sequences that exponentially grow the number of glyphs. Even the base emoji set (should you want to make your own emoji-only font) is bigger than many single-character set fonts. (But not all, clearly)


For their phone keyboard "Gboard", Google made around 30.000(!) emoji combinations available as stickers. Here is an overview:

https://emoji.supply/kitchen/

These are all handcrafted, and some are quite original, e.g. when you combine one with itself. An entire team of artists must have worked on this for quite some time.


So far I've found 88 combos involving the poop emoji.

Photos album: https://photos.app.goo.gl/wCNxKjzi61rCJUsU8


I mean, the Chinese language has 106,230 characters [1]. This is not a new issue. And it actually sounds fun, at least they are drawings and not just various organizations of black lines

[1] https://chinainternshipplacements.com/blog/how-many-chinese-...


Yeah that's a good point. But I think there's also more complete (all code spaces filled) latin fonts than CJK fonts for that reason.

It's off topic, but you might find it interesting. There's Japanese kanji glyphs that only exist because of (presumably) transcription errors while specifying the code pages in unicode. [0] Gives a sense of how massive that code block is!

[0] https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=17637375


Hanzi are compounds of a smaller subset of repeating shapes, though.


On the contrary, I think it must be really cool to design something that millions of people will see and use to express emotions. Even the lesser-used emojis still likely get millions of uses.

On Twitter alone, the lowest used emojis still get a ton of use: https://emojitracker.com/


How about with a maximum size of 10x10 pixels?

https://emoji.serenityos.net/


I feel this would be something where AI generated could be useful. Is there a midjourney for emojis?


There's still no emoji for a handheld 2-way radio (walkie-talkie) -- a common sight at events, emergencies, and in the hands of various types of officials.

Some might argue this is from the influence of Big Cellphone over what means of communication get represented by emoji!


The process is surprisingly political. Before the Rio Olympics there was a big push to get an emoji for every Summer Olympic sport. Because of Apple's veto, they ended up skipping all the sports with firearms (eg air rifle, pentathlon), although those still have unicode codepoints.


Is there anything one need to consider when now allowing to change the directionality of certain emojis?

Like, if you flip a bicycle, you can't do that naively by just flipping the image, as the chainrings should be on the right side of the bike. (Lots of leftward facing bike emojis mistakenly shows the big cog on the wrong side now, though..)


Many scissor emoji couldn't close, and ants don't have a waist - accuracy is not a core requirement of emoji.

I noticed that the flipped person with cane emoji became left handed. Will we get dominant hand modifiers and more permutations?

https://curlicuecal.tumblr.com/post/175362924100/an-entomolo... https://wh0.github.io/2020/01/02/scissors.html


I once thought (incorrectly) that .ws domains were going to be the new hot thing since I failed to appreciate how other TLDs would allow emojis and thus, make none of them actually worth anything.

To answer your question: Yes. I thought ruby handled it automatically, but it turns out that, no, you need to actually do fiddly stuff with some of the emojis like this one:

https://emojipedia.org/man-raising-hand-light-skin-tone/

https://imgur.com/a/kFXsadq

In general though, emojis are more complicated than people give them credit for. There was one domain I had that you could only type on Android and not iOS! The exact encoding for one of the emoji slightly differed. I can't remember all the details, but emoji is annoying and best to be avoided if you can.


> I thought ruby handled it automatically, but it turns out that, no, you need to actually do fiddly stuff with some of the emojis like this one

does Ruby also do this with other combining characters like accent marks? If you use a combining accent character in a string in Ruby and reverse the string does the accent mark hop from one character to another?


I feel like “lemon yellow” is an unsatisfactory approach to the lime; a like is not a yellow lemon. However, most citrus fruit are hybrids; they could simply add citron, pomelo etc as basic emoji and then ZWJ citrus to their hearts’ content.

(I’m possibly not being entirely serious…)


The reason they do this is for backwards compatibility. It’s much nicer to have “lime” show up as a lemon with a green square than an empty box replacement character.

Also, I’ve eaten some half green, half yellow lemonoids. The color consistency of lemons and limes is mostly a supermarket fiction.


> “lemon yellow” is an unsatisfactory approach to the lime

yea, isnt that how scurvy almost came back to the british navy

https://www.alcademics.com/2018/11/historical-info-about-scu...


The great thing about emojis is that you can still use emoticons :). Don't even have to worry about its skin color. Ambiguity is a feature. It also doesn't try to steal your attention like everything else on the modern web.


I tried to use emojis as a workaround to categorize contacts... skin shades and genders make this approach quite unusable.


I'd like to see a Rubik's cube emoji, maybe also the buttons on game controllers (A, B, X, Y, Cross, Circle, Square, Triangle) as emoji.


In case someone wants to read the proposal for Phoenix bird. https://www.unicode.org/L2/L2023/23033-phoenix-emoji.pdf


Interesting, the submitter is a self described "emoji activist":

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jennifer_8._Lee

https://www.emojination.org/


Even though I hate emojis in general, it still drives me nuts that there's a swan emoji but not a goose emoji


I much preferred when different sites and apps had their own emojis or even let the user pick/add a set including GIFs. Ah, the good 'ol times!


I personally on the other hand despise that. I used blobmoji for a while and they certainly looked way nicer than most variants websites employed. Plus I had emoji sites haven't had time to add yet.

The custom sets also break copy-paste, which is the biggest annoyance.

I wish this were configurable everywhere.


There was a good paper about the varying interpretations of emojis https://grouplens.org/site-content/uploads/Emoji_Interpretat... [2016]

Some of them look totally different on different devices so the meaning is lost in translation


I must resist the temptation to flag this submission.

Just because I would be delighted if I never saw another emoji ever again doesn't mean it is OK for me to interfere with other people's desire to discuss them.

Emoji are only a minor annoyance in my life. I must not blow a minor annoyance out of proportion.


On this topic the curious may find of interest this two part podcast episode interviewing various emoji experts:

https://www.alieward.com/ologies/curiology


Maybe all characters should support the "nod", "point right", and "color" modifiers. Why do need walking right but not sailing right?


I am building an Ai based calorie counting app. I decided to let ChatGPT generate an emoji for every food and it works perfectly and people love it haha


I get the fenix as it is a whole different concept than a bird.

But why exactly do we need a different color of mushroom? Isn't that just threading too lightly?


I suspect that the stems from certain groups taking objection to the only mushroom representation being one that prominently necessarily contains psychoactive compounds. Ofc there's many psychoactive brown mushrooms, but there is more ambiguity if it's just mushroom food. Anyone else have more context?


Interestingly, the example glyph provided in the original proposal for the mushroom emoji doesn't include any of those visual features. It's colorless, of course, but it also doesn't include any of those big dots.

The whole fly amanita style is just a matter of fontmakers' convention. I didn't know the Unicode consortium considered that kind of thing its problem, but I guess it makes sense since it's (more or less?) comprised of all the big emoji font makers.


Red mushrooms are often just poisonous, so the common red with white dots version didn't work well in any food-related context.


I would like to point out there are still no emoji for most of the anatomical organs of. the body https://www.theverge.com/2021/9/13/22665002/doctors-medical-...


It's the year 2023, yet here we are, stuck with peaches and eggplants...


I might be old, but I miss the times when a few characters ( ":) :( :D :P :> :-) ") were enough, and I didn't have to update my fonts every now and then so I wouldn't see empty square in text.


You are comparing the benefits of the „good old times“ from the drawbacks of the present. Drawbacks from the past include that the number of things you could express with ascii emojis is very limited, anything that goes beyond the usual palette of emotions required explanation and context, and several old school emotes or single line ascii art require a monospaced font to be rendered in an understandable way. Another important thing is that ascii emotes are easier to type in on a keyboard than on mobile, whereas context aware emoji keyboards on phones make it very easy to enter those. And the phone is what people are usually using to communicate.


> the number of things you could express with ascii emojis is very limited

Only limited by your imagination ... and sometimes your keyboard layout. :-þ

There is also the web-board convention of expressing smiley-faces using a word surrounded by commas, e.g. :facepalm: This degrades gracefully to human-readable text when not supported, unlike . Edit: An unsupported character was censored when I posted, thus proving my point.


> You are comparing the benefits of the „good old times“ from the drawbacks of the present. Drawbacks from the past include that the number of things you could express with ascii emojis is very limited, anything that goes beyond the usual palette of emotions required explanation and context

Here's a crazy idea: how about people use words to describe their feelings? Or is that too "old school"?


Pictograms predate words for expression. So the “oldest school” would be no words at all.


I still use those on the regular, and people think it's because I'm all about texting, which is far from the truth.

It's from Usenet :)


Welcome! You've got mail.


yes, those, and the Andalusian Video Snail _@/


There are only about six emoji's that I ever use, with thumbs up being by far the one I use the most.


Firefox still cannot render emojis from a custom font like noto emoji on Windows.


FTA:

> Are these the final emojis?

> No, not exactly.

> To be clear, the Emojipedia Sample Images shown within the images are just one way in which these emojis might look, created by Emojipedia's Head of Emoji Design Joshua Jones.

These emoji aren't in Noto Emoji yet... or any other font.


I meant it cannot emoji fonts at all, not just those


Kneeling emoji seems promising


I just want the sicilian flag in :(

The rip off of the isle of man is in, but not sicily :(


It looks like, at least for the time being, the Unicode Consortium isn't accepting any new flag emoji.[0] While I don't necessarily support their position I can understand it. The amount of international pressure to support or oppose the recognition of some flags (e.g. Republic of China AKA Taiwan, Tibet, Crimea, Kosovo, Abkhazia etc.) is likely substantial.

[0] https://blog.unicode.org/2022/03/the-past-and-future-of-flag...


Some implementations are refusing to depict national flags graphically, and fall back to the ISO country code.

My Windows 10 emoji picker doesn't have national flags in its inventory.

I [] Unicode!


there is one per every region of italy, but i don't understand what the status is.

https://emojipedia.org/flag-for-sicily-it82/


We have all those new emojis but rebinding keyboards to input anything more than what's on a 101-key keyboard is still a massive pain.


Every time this happens I'm reminded of Kinagrams replacing Logotype among extras in Anathem (Neal Stephenson).


The only emojis that I loved to use and seemed to me like conveying real emotions were the BBM ones. Top tier!


Mario is to lemons, as Green Mario is to green lemons.

I’m happy to see limes tho since lemons are uncommon/expensive here.


Unicode has many religious symbols, but none for pastafarianism…

Could we have one for 2025 ?


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Is there a God emoji?


https://emojipedia.org/spaghetti/

Praise His Noodly Appendages. Ramen.


What would a God emoji look like? Seems like it'd be a bit tough to get agreement there.


Not sure, but I'd more than welcome a "God, please make it stop!" emoji ...


I tried to post a money emoji in response, but HN strips emoji from comments.


The closest thing to a deity is probably "", that looks like a personification of wind, not unlike what the ancient Greek probably had


Looks more like rain to me.


It's forbidden to picture God in Islam


But it's not forbidden in many other religions and emojis are for everyone.

I don't really care if there's a "God emoji" or not and wish good luck to those who'd have to picture God in an emoji, but this freedom and respect thing goes both ways. A group is free not to like or use this emoji, but they don't get to stop others from liking or using it.


While some monotheistic religions don’t explicitly prohibit it, I’m not sure that any encourage it, or have any particular conception of what God looks like.

Catholicism, some Protestantism: Not prohibited, God doesn’t look like anything.

Islam, other Protestantism: prohibited, God doesn’t look like anything.

Judaism: prohibited, God doesn’t look like anything.

Like, I’m not sure anyone would thank you for this emoji.


Plus Unicode already includes a ton of emoji that Islamic fundamentalists doubtless consider unacceptable. Liberal Muslims can presumably put up with other people using a God emoji just like they can put up with other people using a devil emoji.


Wait doesn't that mean that unicode is un-inclusive?


Adults already know what the paradox of tolerance is. Idk what you think you're demonstrating here.


Also many variants of Protestantism. And even in monotheistic religions which don’t prohibit it, generally God is not considered to look like anything.


There are several religious emoji.


Fly amanita + brown color = Boletus. Great!




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