One doesn’t punish a member of the Einsatzgruppen for identifying as Aryan, one punishes them for being a member of the Einsatzgruppen.
Incidentally — though perhaps not all that surprisingly — what a member of the Einsatzgruppen would sneer and spit as just punishment arrived would look pretty much like what you’ve written in air quotes there.
> One doesn’t punish a member of the Einsatzgruppen for identifying as Aryan, one punishes them for being a member of the Einsatzgruppen.
Right... but no white people today actually are a member of the Einsatzgruppen (appart from a few dozen LARPers), so I really don't get why you're so desperate to punish white people for things that have nothing to do with them.
> what a member of the Einsatzgruppen would sneer and spit as just punishment arrived would look pretty much like what you’ve written in air quotes there.
Yes. I'm paraphrasing what you're saying. It's very abusive isn't it?
> so I really don't get why you're so desperate to punish white people for things that have nothing to do with them.
You’ve been imagining I have an interest in punishment the entire time… literally no one is being punished by acknowledging that the sins of the fathers have knock one effects today.
> Yes. I'm paraphrasing what you're saying. It's very abusive isn't it?
Not abusive, though also not paraphrasing… refreshing, though, that you’ve admitted that your weak attempt at refutation used the same twisted logic the Einsatzgruppen would use. Or, I suppose, one of those few dozen LARPers that today make up the intellectual base of the MAGA crowd.
> You’ve been imagining I have an interest in punishment the entire time…
You don't have in interest in punishing the MAGA crowd? You're claiming that they are supporters of the SS.
Sorry I don't believe you - if somebody - be it the MAGA crowd, or "white people" in general were as reprehensible as you claim to believe, then punishment would be the only suitable response.
Be honest. You wish these people ill, and if they receive racially discrimitary treatment - then so be it.
Ok... but don't then turn around and claim to oppose racism, because you clearly don't.
"There are no bad tactics, only bad targets" -- Moviebob
> You don't have in interest in punishing the MAGA crowd? You're claiming that they are supporters of the SS.
Ahh, more mischaracterization… no, I have no interest in punishing them, as they’ve not actually been members of die Einsatzgruppen, or a modern equivalent that acted on their racist “ideology”. Now, do they disgust me? Yes… because they’re exactly the kind of people that, given the right circumstances and their predilection for authoritarianism and populist rhetorical xenophobia, would both form and join and materially support an American version of the Schutzstaffel, without hesitation, and THEN I would both desire and act to punish them.
Would I support someone attacking and killing them because they are (primarily) white? No… nor because they are (primarily) afflicted by a debilitating mental illness… I’d oppose (and punish) anyone that attacked and killed them along those lines.
The fact that no one is doing so, coupled with the fact that the ideas that they admire and support routinely inspire people who DO go out and commit mass murders —- and have historically inspired practically speaking all genocides — leaves me feeling that I will likely never need to punish anyone for attacking them on actual “reverse” racism-inspired grounds, while I am quite certain we’ll need to deal with hundreds of “forward” racism-inspired murders by the end of the year.
You look for people that seem most guilty to you. Ironically that is pretty close to people that judge people on their skin color.
People that fight racism do so for everyone that shows prejudice on the basis of ethnicity. A simple test that many fail.
You can try to rationalize it with power dynamics, but even if you do, the argument will fall short. Racism by the current powers is far more policed for certain ethnicities.
So Black conservatives can't be peddling anti-Blackness because they're Black. Four cops who kill a Black man can't be practicing anti-Black racism because they're Black. But the White owned media with overwhelmingly White staff can be racist against whites. Certainly no hypocrisy in contemporary conservative thought.
Elon stop already. This isn't going to get your 44bln back. Its not going to help your Tesla brand or make manned Spacex flights safer. Where's the BOD? What are they doing?
That wasn’t the (inherently biased and stupid) question, the (inherently biased and stupid) question was ‘Do you agree or disagree with this statement: “It’s OK to be white.’… notwithstanding the simple fact that the idiots asking the question are actively and aggressively producing dogwhistle results for their exclusively right-leaning, middle-aged-or-older, almost-exclusively white and male audience, disagreeing with the statement doesn’t imply negation of the statement, it can also very reasonably imply that the person being asked understands that the statement is absurd.
Apparently you _also_ have a need to imagine, supply, or interject negation where none exists…
A member of any (and especially all) of those groups _knows_ that it’s “OK” to be a member; considerably more than OK, actually, as the default privilege assigned to those characteristics by the rigging of the game makes it _vastly_ easier to be one of those haves rather than one of the have-nots — as always, membership has its privileges.
For anyone _not_ a member, they _also_ know it’s OK to be a member… moreover, they _know_ precisely what it means when a member (entirely disingenuously) asks them the (idiot) question, “is it OK to be [what you’re not]?” while grinning with anticipation of being able to turn back to their fellow members and feign injury and victimization _regardless_ of the answer.
In short, no, there’s nothing wrong with being any of those things, except possibly having a default further distance to travel in the pursuit of not being an asshole.
> A member of any (and especially all) of those groups _knows_ that it’s “OK” to be a member; considerably more than OK, actually, as the default privilege assigned to those characteristics by the rigging of the game makes it _vastly_ easier to be one of those haves rather than one of the have-nots — as always, membership has its privileges.
It's the original sin of White people. It doesn't matter what they've done, what challenges they've faced, where in the world they live, what their actual ethnic group or nationality is, what their class or income status is etc. etc. - none of that matters.
Only one thing matters: skin colour, and if yours is wrong, then you're "privaleged" (even if you live in a trailer park).
No - your toxic politics of envy and resentment are best ignored entirely.
> while grinning with anticipation of being able to turn back to their fellow members and feign injury and victimization
No. The point is to unmask your hypocricy. You don't actually have a problem with racism pe se - because it's OK when you do it.
You're not here to make anything better or fix anything. The fact that "It's OK to be white" presents such a problem to you, simply demonstrates that this is all just a tool to punish the chuds - once you strip back the mental gymnastics, that's really all your ideology amounts to.
> It's the original sin of White people. It doesn't matter what they've done, what challenges they've faced, where in the world they live, what their actual ethnic group or nationality is, what their class or income status is etc. etc. - none of that matters.
No, it fundamentally doesn’t… because, no matter where they go in the world, irregardless of all of their own (real, or imagined) hardship, when they arrive they _will_ be treated better than a non-white person that is otherwise of the same socio-economic standing arriving from the same origin point… and that’s just an observable fact, one I’ve seen with my own two eyes all around the world, and that simple, reliably true fact exists simply because it’s not the original sin of the white people of today, it’s the legacy of the white people of centuries ago, and the systemic biases they absolutely developed and, just as absolutely, left behind, and which we’re responsible for dismantling and discarding today.
> you're "privileged" (even if you live in a trailer park).
Yes, you are. And, having spent the first years of my life in just such a trailer park, surrounded by other trash, I can assure you that EVERY white person in that trailer park knows VERY certainly there’s worse colors of trash to be. A trailer isn’t much of a platform to look down from, but a lot of white folk in trailers still find a way.
> No - your toxic politics of envy and resentment are best ignored entirely.
I neither envy nor resent any living being… there are quite a few I’m repulsed by. Most of them can’t acknowledge the simple fact that those who deny the concept of privilege the hardest are always and only those who rely on it the most.
> The point is to unmask your hypocricy.
Even if that were the word, you’d have to actually succeed at finding it to unmask it. Thou hast not.
> You don't actually have a problem with racism pe se - because it's OK when you do it.
It’s OK to be racist. We’re ALL racist… the point is to be less so than you were the day before, and ideally less so than the other guy. Good luck with that, and the chip on your shoulder.
> You're not here to make anything better or fix anything.
Oh, I’m _trying_… some people just want to stay broke.
> The fact that "It's OK to be white" presents such a problem to you
It presents no problem to me whatsoever… it’s just humorous to see those who are predisposed to culture wars try to invent one.
> No, it fundamentally doesn’t… because, no matter where they go in the world, irregardless of all of their own (real, or imagined) hardship, when they arrive they _will_ be treated better than a non-white person that is otherwise of the same socio-economic standing arriving from the same origin point… and that’s just an observable fact,
You utter clown. My wife and I lived in the US for three years. My wife - who is black, was always treated with kindness and respect by everyone we met - people of all persuasions. We made many good friends, who we are still in contact with to this day.
> It’s OK to be racist. We’re ALL racist…
I'm not. I adore my wife, and my two mixed-race children, my wife's whole side of the family, and all her friends.
From what I can see, all of this is just projection on your part.
They would be offended by your condecending and divisive ideas.
Yes, you are. We ALL are… it’s not possible for a human being born in our moment of our species’ collective history, nor one born at any earlier moment, to not be racist, any more than it is for them to not be prone to sexism, nationalism, ableism, or for that matter just simple confirmation bias. We simply aren’t far enough removed from very recent — never mind still ongoing — atrocities committed solely on skin-color bias for the relatively small number among us who have actively engaged in what was until very recently criminalized miscegenation to claim to be free of tribalism. You’ll know you’ve stopped being racist when you and your wife and your children don’t even have a term for the differences between you, and never have had one… not a moment sooner.
> You’ll know you’ve stopped being racist when you and your wife and your children don’t even have a term for the differences between you, and never have had one… not a moment sooner.
What a ridiculous idea. There is literally nothing humans have ever percieved - or will ever perceive that doesn't have a term associated with it.
Also, your Whig historiography is manfestly untrue. Humans are fundamentally the same creatures as we ever were and always will be. History is cyclical.
If you want racial unity, then my family is just about as good as it gets. If you want racial harmony, then your desperate searching for grievances where there are none is just about the least helpful thing you could do.
But I suspect you know this already.
I used to think that the "anti-racists" were well intentioned, but simply misguided. It's clear now that there's nothing well intentioned about them - it's just about distilling grievances into power, and about the pleasure of seeing one's self as "one of the good ones".
> Humans are fundamentally the same creatures as we ever were and always will be.
Thank you for admitting that all humans are racist.
> History is cyclical.
Nothing whatsoever about history implies this to be true, but assuming it is gives me good reason to keep an eye out for future members of the Einsatzgruppen.
