Please show me these videos of ballot harvesting. If you point to 1000 mules let’s be clear it’s legal to drop of family members ballots, name the mules, and gps data is easily debunked by knowing voting locations are found in high trafficked areas public transports, Ubers, mail services, Ect can account for people being at multiple locations over time. It’s not rocket science.
>If you point to 1000 mules let’s be clear it’s legal to drop of family members ballots
I think the issue was there isn't a good explanation for making multiple trips to different ballot drop-offs all over the state with different batches of ballots, and then taking pics as proof that they were delivered. Doesn't seem like what you would do when dropping off grannies ballot.
Doesn't mean an election was stolen though, Trump was unpopular enough to lose to Biden without help. But we probably shouldn't call people election deniers who point out the shenanigans that are on video and think we need to tighten up our procedures.
"good explanation" is subjective and regardless this isn't proof. What you are showing is something YOU think is suspicious and offering it as evidence.
Evidence is for court. It's not a court of law, it's a documentary showing that non-normal voting behavior was rampant in some of the most heavily contested areas. People who got the result they wanted are free to handwave it away, and people who didn't get the result they wanted are free to demand those sorts of shenanigans are mitigated against in the future.
The people making false claims damage democracy by causing people to believe their vote doesn't count. The also have proposed or enacted
changes that reduce access to voting which disenfranchises people so, no, they don't have the right to do all these things, not morally at least.
We are closer to a civil war than ever before which would damage the economy and cause a loss of life. Explain why you think it's acceptable for these people to do this?
Also, evidence is for proving your argument, not just for use in court.
Because nobody has been able to provide a reasonable explanation for why someone would drop off batches of ballots at one location, take a pic for proof, drive across town and do the same, drive to another county and do the same, etc. Rinse and repeat with multiple "mules".
Even if you're a "legitimate" ballot harvester, what is the reason for multiple drop off points and taking pics of the box after you've dropped the ballots in? It doesn't prove you dropped my ballot in but it does show you physically were at the dropoff location. Does this seem normal to you?
Why would I be qualified to judge what's normal for something I know nothing about? I'm not an election official.
How does the lack of explanation prove anything? There could be a valid reason you don't know about.
How does this prove widespread election fraud? You have no proof. At best you have a suspicious situation but no other evidence. But you believe there was widespread fraud, enough to change the vote for Biden?
My friend, you are getting very emotional and putting words into my mouth. Please re-read what I wrote. I've made no such claims. I said they made the documentary showcasing non-normal voting behavior. That's what it is. Non-normal doesn't necessarily mean widespread fraud and it doesn't mean the results would have been different. It just means that is not normal voting behavior and that if we care about our election integrity we should investigate it to ensure everything is handled better and better each election.
And don't view it through an anti-Biden lens either. Ask yourself if the J6 crew had been caught ballot harvesting and delivering to multiple drop-offs and sending pics to right wing orgs etc. in battleground states, would it be looked upon as suspicious? Or can we trust Trump and has supporters to abide by all the rules?
I don't view this as a democrat or republican issue, I think it just makes sense to ensure everyone agrees with the election integrity of the system. Otherwise, there could be huge problems.
The first step in committing ballot fraud is always accusing the other side of it. We know who was trumpeting that even before the election. And, somehow, it is all said to have happened in counties the accusers controlled.
1) Then all this started when Democrats accused the other side in 2016, so by your logic, _that_ was projection and their first step in 2020's fraud. 2) that logic is circular. Given that logic, any complaint about insecure elections is projection and there is never any valid complaint about election security. 3) It's been said to happen in both democrat and republican counties and states. Neither party (nor closed-source private companies) should "control" elections. They should be 100% above board, fair, and one person one vote and run on open source hardware and software.
One should take complaints seriously but with a grain of salt, investigate, and draw conclusions. One way to do that is do download the official records from PA, analyze them, and see for yourself there are many discrepancies that show at a minimum massive issues with mail-in ballot verification in PA. The code linked above helps you do that, or you can do it yourself easily enough with your favorite tool. Maybe each of those has a valid explanation, but I've yet to see any. Submit a pull request for any incorrect analysis.
No one said there wasn't fraud in the 2020 election, there wasn't widespread fraud. This is a manipulation tactic, the claim is there was widespread fraud to flip the election when pestered for proof you produce evidence of isolated small cases of fraud. This doesn't prove anything about widespread election fraud.
What irregularities and how does that prove widespread fraud?
Show me a specific video and time that shows fraud.
I'm not aware of anyone claiming there was _no_ fraud. That would be silly. In a country with over 300 million people we can't possibly know that _no one_ successfully committed some form of fraud. Especially given the fact that we know for a fact of a number of people who tried both for and against Trump.
The claim is simply this: there is not, to date, any evidence of fraud sufficient to cast doubt on the election results. Your Gueillermina Fuentes is a perfect example of this. We're talking about 4 ballots. Even if we accept that all of those were Biden votes that would've otherwise gone to Trump (which is an unreasonable assumption), it changes the count by a total of 8 votes. You'd need 1300 all cheating for Biden against Trump (there have been Trump voters caught cheating too) to change the election.
That's evidence of an individual commiting a crime, not of a stolen election.
"I believe the 2020 election was stolen, I read it on X internet source plus foxnews has been reporting on it, and everyone I know says it" - Person
"Well how do you know they aren't lying?" - Me
"How do you know they aren't, I also trust my friends and family, read this random news article from suspicious site" - Person
"Do you think we should punish people who spread false information" -Me
"No, freedom of speech, also I still believe the 2020 election was stolen. If Democrats are just going to steal elections that means my vote doesn't count and I'm not really in a democracy, this justifies civil war" - Person
I saw a woman say that Biden created SpaceX to capture the votes as they traveled through the satellites. They were then changed to Biden.
Now that I've heard this what greater understanding do I have?
But what you really mean is listen to their grievances and anger at being left behind economically. I'm aware of this but it doesn't justify destroying democracy with false accusations of election fraud.
