I can't even tell if this exact post is sarcasm or not but the fact that there will be a non-zero amount of people who think kicking the bro version of gwyneth paltrow off Spotify is comparable to the exterminaton of the Jews in Nazi Germany concerns me.
And you're under the impression that a private business exercising their right to delete podcast episodes on their platform is the first step to what? Progroms against the weed smoking quack demographic? If this is what listening to Joe Rogan does to a brain they better throw the entire catalog away
Free speech has never guaranteed a platform. Free speech has never mean you can say whatever you want without consequence. Free speech has never meant that people have to hear what you want to say.
These days it's easier than ever to get a platform. Speech has never been more accessible or more publishable. We are so far from "the death of free speech".
You say that from Taiwan where defamation is a crime, and people who speak in support of China can be charged under the foreign agents act. I don't think you know what free speech means. Which makes sense as Taiwan seems concerned about trying to control narratives.
About platforms you misunderstand. It's the platforms that have the power: to enable, that's also the power to control.
So we can be both in the situation where we are so close to universal free speech, and yet so close to the death of it too. I'm sure the Jews didn't believe they were going to be wiped out either.
I don't understand what you mean by that. I guess you just need to believe I've lost credibility because you don't know what to say because you don't know how to think about things.
You're not equipped to deal with discussions on the internet these days, like so many others, because nobody actually knows how to think about something that challenges their programming: the messaging they've uncritically absorbed.
Many people deal with the culture in a "consumerist" way. They consume little sound-bites, which are really talking points. Without thinking. And so of course they cannot deal with anything outside that, and they just want to "silence" it. Because they don't know how to critically think.
Sorry mate, if the first thing you go to is the holocaust and comparing it to something that isn't about the deaths of 6 million+ people, you're not equipped for civilized discussions full stop. Thanks
I think you're just scared of people being heard, when they say things you disagree with, but then to abuse the sacred protection afforded by a defense of the victims of Nazis, as cover for your own desire to silence people? Wrong and awful.
So silencing people who expose the same speech control, silencing and censorship tactics of the Holocaust, in the name of "protecting" the victims of the Holocaust? It’s an amoral abomination. You're undermining the thing you're pretending to protect.
And comparing based on death counts? Obscene! So cannot compare with the Japanese war crimes, Carcassian genocide, Taiwan White Terror, because less deaths? But then you can compare in reverse? Illogical.
So… "Sorry mate"? You should be apologizing to yourself, not to me, for that kind of talk. And "thanks"? Why thank me? Because you think me having different ideas to yours is a fake pretext for you to try to silence me?
So, oh, I’m “unequipped for civilized discussions”? No, it’s only you unequipped for civilized discussions: because of this amoral stuff, not civilized at all. And unequipped for online discussions because you’re not thinking, as I said. If you update those perspectives tho, and start really thinking about what you say and the consequences, I think you’ll be equipped. So no stress. Thank you!
Or to put it like you said it:
I'm sorry but if you think that silencing people who expose the same tactics used in the Holocaust, is the right theme to do to "protect" those Holocaust victims, then you're the only one unequipped for civilized discussions full stop forever. Thank you!
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Also to the commenter above.. What's wrong with Gwyneth Paltrow? She's good. And are you 'under the impression' ("in your words") that it's a bad thing if a "non zero" amount of people think differently to you? And that censoring those different to you is a good thing? That's just fucking crazy. Hahaha :p;) xx ;p !!!
Heh, yeah basically. You get it. But see the above comment for details. If you're unhappy with that, then don't be the one who next time leads with insults: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=30226657
No really, Kristallnacht (Nov 1938) was nowhere near the first step, and people died that day.
Seriously, you're being incredibly offensive comparing Joe Rogan to what happened in Kristallnacht, and it's not ok to spread this online.
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The first steps were easily 1933 if not earlier, though to be fair modern propaganda was new then, and it's more understandable if people didn't understand the risks.
From Wikipedia:
Conditions for German Jews began to change after the appointment of Adolf Hitler (the Austrian-born leader of the National Socialist German Workers' Party) as Chancellor of Germany on 30 January 1933, and the Enabling Act (implemented 23 March 1933) which enabled the assumption of power by Hitler after the Reichstag fire of 27 February 1933.[14][15] From its inception, Hitler's regime moved quickly to introduce anti-Jewish policies. Nazi propaganda alienated 500,000 Jews in Germany, who accounted for only 0.86% of the overall population, and framed them as an enemy responsible for Germany's defeat in the First World War and for its subsequent economic disasters, such as the 1920s hyperinflation and subsequent Great Depression.[16] Beginning in 1933, the German government enacted a series of anti-Jewish laws restricting the rights of German Jews to earn a living, to enjoy full citizenship and to gain education, including the Law for the Restoration of the Professional Civil Service of 7 April 1933, which forbade Jews to work in the civil service.[17] The subsequent 1935 Nuremberg Laws stripped German Jews of their citizenship and prohibited Jews from marrying non-Jewish Germans.
These laws resulted in the exclusion and alienation of Jews from German social and political life.[18] Many sought asylum abroad; hundreds of thousands emigrated, but as Chaim Weizmann wrote in 1936, "The world seemed to be divided into two parts—those places where the Jews could not live and those where they could not enter."[19] The international Évian Conference on 6 July 1938 addressed the issue of Jewish and Romani immigration to other countries. By the time the conference took place, more than 250,000 Jews had fled Germany and Austria, which had been annexed by Germany in March 1938; more than 300,000 German and Austrian Jews continued to seek refuge and asylum from oppression. As the number of Jews and Romani wanting to leave increased, the restrictions against them grew, with many countries tightening their rules for admission. By 1938, Germany "had entered a new radical phase in anti-Semitic activity".[20
Why don't you just censor it then? That's what you'd prefer, right? You don't know how to think, so you cannot handle something that differs from what's already in your head, so you want it to be silenced. This is because you've engaged the culture in a "consumerist" way, so you're not thinking critically.
What is "offensive"? It's a personal reaction. So, as single-basis for morality, is a non-starter. Incredibly seriously, the only one who is incredibly wrong here is you, by pretending your emotional reaction constitutes a moral reality. It's incredibly wrong to think you can fake-justify limiting people's freedoms because of your own emotions.
The second point is you can't use the memory of Nazi victims as a stick to beat others with or to try to silence them. That's an abuse of the victims, and an abomination. It is good to have this Wiki quote here as a reminder or what happened, and how they didn't really see the signs. Just like now, this is not the first step--I agree--and yet people, now, like then, are not seeing the signs of what this will be. He's not cancelled yet. Canceling Joe will be the West's Free speech Kristallnacht.
