> Those animals lack the moral reasoning ability to make a choice between eating meat and not eating meat.
But how can you say that? You can't know what choices an animal makes or doesn't make. In fact, if you have pets or been around animals for some time, it would be blindingly obvious that animals absolutely make choices between whether to eat something or not, be it meat or anything else.
For example, the cats in the farm where I live have no compunction about eating humans' food (for example, one of my cheeses that I foolishly left within their reach), but the dogs will never touch it.
And make no mistake: those are absolutely moral choices. The dogs know it's wrong to eat food that is for humans and that there will be repercussions if they do so. The cats don't care and only mind when they're caught.
Your caricature of animals as unthinking feeding machines is unrealistic and it is not based on any close contact or detailed knowledge of animals. Please re-examine your beliefs because they are unfounded and uninformed.
All I'm saying is that I don't think non-human animals should be expected to need to comprehend the nature of suffering in sentient begins. You're saying that's unfounded and uninformed. I don't even know how to respond because I almost feel like you're messing with me.
> The dogs know it's wrong to eat food that is for humans and that there will be repercussions if they do so.
No, they know they get scolded when they do it. This is why dogs only stop pissing on the floor when you make it clear they can't. Not because they had some sort of moral realization that it was wrong to piss on their owners floor.
> You're saying that's unfounded and uninformed. I don't even know how to respond because I almost feel like you're messing with me.
Yes, I appreciate it's difficult to understand why not everybody automatically agrees with everything you say.
Just out of curiousity and my apologies if I'm prying, but, do have a personality disorder? I mean, have you had a diagnosis and all? I don't want to be unfair to you.
Not at all. I'm asking whether you have a diagnosis of a personality disorder because in all the conversations I've had with you and in all the conversations I've seen you have with others you seem to be incapable of seeing the other person's point of view even just to disagree with it and you don't seem to appreciate how the most disurbing parts of your interaction come across. That, to me, speaks of an uncommon state of mind compatible with a personality disorder.
As I say, I don't want to be unfair. If you do have a personality disorder there's no point in me being upset at your behaviour.
But how can you say that? You can't know what choices an animal makes or doesn't make. In fact, if you have pets or been around animals for some time, it would be blindingly obvious that animals absolutely make choices between whether to eat something or not, be it meat or anything else.
For example, the cats in the farm where I live have no compunction about eating humans' food (for example, one of my cheeses that I foolishly left within their reach), but the dogs will never touch it.
And make no mistake: those are absolutely moral choices. The dogs know it's wrong to eat food that is for humans and that there will be repercussions if they do so. The cats don't care and only mind when they're caught.
Your caricature of animals as unthinking feeding machines is unrealistic and it is not based on any close contact or detailed knowledge of animals. Please re-examine your beliefs because they are unfounded and uninformed.