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Don't forget to add that Apple is now doing this on their version of a "budget" laptop that has no active cooling, that gets 18-20 hours of battery life, that runs emulated x86 code with almost no performance hit and is a 1st gen product.

I don't think any of these details can be understated. Even AMD's 1st gen Ryzen kind of sucked and look where that is now.



> Don't forget to add that Apple is now doing this on their version of a "budget" laptop that has no active cooling

The Anandtech tests were on an actively-cooled Mac Mini and the power draw numbers they were observing were far outside of what can be passively cooled in a laptop. You'd need to wait for Air-specific results before drawing too many conclusions on how it performs.


AnandTech isn't the only one providing benchmarks, they are rolling in from all over the place now. People are running 15 minute finale cut pro jobs and the fan isn't kick in on the macbook pro.


Any word on if Final Cut and Logic X are recompiled for Arm ?


FCP 10.5 dropped on 11/2:

• Improved performance and efficiency on Mac computers with Apple silicon

• Accelerated machine learning analysis for Smart Conform using the Apple Neural Engine on Mac computers with Apple silicon

Discussion: https://forums.macrumors.com/threads/apple-updates-final-cut...


Thanks , my M1 macbook pro gets here tommorow so we'll see what happens


They said in the keynote that Logic had major improvements under arm as well. I can't remember if it's actually shipping yet.


I installed updates a few days ago and the release notes say "support for Apple Silicon"...


If they are Apple they are Universal apps I believe?


That's the same question being asked - have they been recompiled as universal apps?


Based on the benchmarks and the fact for Apple it’s only a recompile as they have been planning this I’m guessing yes. But unconfirmed.


> "budget" laptop

At this price it's more expensive than 80% of best-selling laptops, so not quite budget. If you compare in price to Dell for example, they only compete with their XPS line, which is their high-end one.

Apple only does high-end products, which is fine but doesn't make that model cheap.


> Apple only does high-end products

I know this gets repeated often, but this is simply not true. Apple _does_ make high-end products, and they market themselves as a high-end brand, but Apple has always filled as many market segments as they can. There are plenty examples that prove this statement wrong: iPod Shuffle, iPhone SE, the $250 iPad. They never do deep discounts on their products though, so when they age or go stale they are far overpriced; and they do _not_ make value or budget models.


That why I put the word budget in quotes. It's the cheapest laptop they make even though it isn't all that cheap.


To look at these CPUs a different way, it’s fairly competitive with Ryzen processors that cost $600-700 alone, except that will buy the whole Mac Mini.


This is really the 12th generation of Apple's own chips, though - and the third of this particular design, if I recall correctly.


When I say first gen product, I mean the whole product, not just the chip used. It would be a very different situation if we were talking about an upgraded iPad with a new chip. This is a platform defining moment.


Are you claiming that A1 is in the same category as M1?

If so... then Intel's latest chip generations should be traced back to 8088 in 1979.


Intel CPUs _literally_ boot pretending to be 8088s [0]

[0] https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Real_mode


that's exactly how people describe Intel lineup

And architectural similarities between their first 14nm chip and their last 10nm chips are as m1 is similar to a12z at least, may be even their first 64bit


There was never an A1; the first Apple-designed SoC was the A4 that shipped in iPad.




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