Sure, I agree with you. (When I say win, I was referring to HD-DVD vs Blu-ray). But what I'm saying is that it's too early to call Blu-ray a failure. It may well serve it's purpose quite well before streaming HD video inevitably becomes ubiquitous throughout the world.

I think the difference of opinion here is that some posters are evaluating Blu-ray against DVD, whereas I'm mainly viewing it as a transition format until bandwidth catches up, rather than the jump which was VHS->DVD.