>>>> First - we 100% can draw the line between 'essential goods'.
We already do, we've been doing it long before the pandemic and we continue to do it. We classify all sorts of goods, for all sorts of reasons.
Just because at any given time, the hard-line in the sand may be a little fuzzy, does not mean that we can't still continue to reasonably category goods.
Depending on your country, things like food, drugs, healthcare, dental, water, childcare service, tobacco, cigarettes, alcohol, luxuries - are taxed differently due to their different meaning to society. And yes, there are always fuzzy areas where the lines are drawn.
In trade agreements, we make all sorts of distinctions for a variety of reasons.
Anyone who believes in 'Socialized Medicine' to any extent must grasp the obvious - that this is a social recognition of a separate class of services that are going to be managed differently.
Literally, if you support even Medicare, then you need to grasp this is what happening.
>>>> Second - stopping 'gouging' is absolutely beneficial to people and society at large.
'Price gouging' is bad captialism.
Understand what price gouging is, and that it's different from normal market conditions. Price-gouging happens when events cause a spike in supply or demand that's typically much faster than the systems to support supply (or demand) can manage effectively. A factory cannot 'product and ship barbells' on a dime. Over months, yes, but immediately no.
The negative effects to the system of price-gouging can definitely be bad, and we should try to stop it where it makes sense.
A simple example would be 'bottled water during a flood'. The local store could very well charge such vastly high prices that people would be seriously inconvenienced, or worse - not be able to afford it, while the wealthier people stockpile. The 'free market' (really not in any real sense, just the sense some HN commenters here think) is utterly dysfunctional in that sense, as pooling swaths of capital in the hands of the owner of the 'service station' because he just happened to be sitting on something that became a hyper valuable commodity ... is absolutely, positively, in no way beneficial for anyone in the long run.
The 'local store' gouging people during a flood is in fact one of the better examples of 'bad capitalism' and how in certain circumstances, capitalism completely fails to be an intelligent means to manage goods and services, if fact, at least at that moment, it's maybe the absolute worst kind of system.
Consider a more extreme example of market imperfection related to, but not precisely 'price gouging': Company ABC develops a COVID vaccine. The spent $1B developing it (doesn't matter), and they determine that the 'profit-maximizing price' for their vaccine is $1000 per person, and they'll sell it on credit, i.e. people pay it off $50 a month. They don't care that most of planet earth cannot afford it, because that's not part of the equation.
More nefariously, the company literally does not want large swaths of the world to get it also because they literally want COVID to keep spreading, thereby keeping the demand for their vaccine high.
This example is obviously extreme, but these kinds of dynamics are absolutely already at play, all over the world, in many markets - especially in healthcare, and especially with respect to vaccine development.
On the whole, price-gouging is bad. That it's sometimes a little grey means we have to wade through the subject intelligently.
> That it's sometimes a little grey means we have to wade through the subject intelligently.
I see all too often in threads here this all or nothing thinking. I have no idea if it's more prevalent in technical people, but for some reason people seem to think that unless we can come up with an absolute rule that can be applied blindly in all circumstances, then we shouldn't even try. Human society and human activity aren't like that in practice, and we have a grey, fuzzy, ponderous set of laws governing our society because we keep learning as we go along, and we think and debate our way through grey areas.
"I have no idea if it's more prevalent in technical people"
I think it's technical people. It's like we're all on the 'autism spectrum' a little bit and have serious difficulty with ambiguity and want to see the 'outcome of the equation, exactly'. Like an obsession with perfection.
There is really no such thing as a purely free market in the end, because everything is deeply dependent on externalities such as education, military, government intervention, investment, trade between nations which is not free, legal asymmetries. We have a 'context' in which a 'free market' exist, but that context is a big deal.
>>>> First - we 100% can draw the line between 'essential goods'.
We already do, we've been doing it long before the pandemic and we continue to do it. We classify all sorts of goods, for all sorts of reasons.
Just because at any given time, the hard-line in the sand may be a little fuzzy, does not mean that we can't still continue to reasonably category goods.
Depending on your country, things like food, drugs, healthcare, dental, water, childcare service, tobacco, cigarettes, alcohol, luxuries - are taxed differently due to their different meaning to society. And yes, there are always fuzzy areas where the lines are drawn.
In trade agreements, we make all sorts of distinctions for a variety of reasons.
Anyone who believes in 'Socialized Medicine' to any extent must grasp the obvious - that this is a social recognition of a separate class of services that are going to be managed differently.
Literally, if you support even Medicare, then you need to grasp this is what happening.
>>>> Second - stopping 'gouging' is absolutely beneficial to people and society at large.
'Price gouging' is bad captialism.
Understand what price gouging is, and that it's different from normal market conditions. Price-gouging happens when events cause a spike in supply or demand that's typically much faster than the systems to support supply (or demand) can manage effectively. A factory cannot 'product and ship barbells' on a dime. Over months, yes, but immediately no.
The negative effects to the system of price-gouging can definitely be bad, and we should try to stop it where it makes sense.
A simple example would be 'bottled water during a flood'. The local store could very well charge such vastly high prices that people would be seriously inconvenienced, or worse - not be able to afford it, while the wealthier people stockpile. The 'free market' (really not in any real sense, just the sense some HN commenters here think) is utterly dysfunctional in that sense, as pooling swaths of capital in the hands of the owner of the 'service station' because he just happened to be sitting on something that became a hyper valuable commodity ... is absolutely, positively, in no way beneficial for anyone in the long run.
The 'local store' gouging people during a flood is in fact one of the better examples of 'bad capitalism' and how in certain circumstances, capitalism completely fails to be an intelligent means to manage goods and services, if fact, at least at that moment, it's maybe the absolute worst kind of system.
Consider a more extreme example of market imperfection related to, but not precisely 'price gouging': Company ABC develops a COVID vaccine. The spent $1B developing it (doesn't matter), and they determine that the 'profit-maximizing price' for their vaccine is $1000 per person, and they'll sell it on credit, i.e. people pay it off $50 a month. They don't care that most of planet earth cannot afford it, because that's not part of the equation.
More nefariously, the company literally does not want large swaths of the world to get it also because they literally want COVID to keep spreading, thereby keeping the demand for their vaccine high.
This example is obviously extreme, but these kinds of dynamics are absolutely already at play, all over the world, in many markets - especially in healthcare, and especially with respect to vaccine development.
On the whole, price-gouging is bad. That it's sometimes a little grey means we have to wade through the subject intelligently.