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I doubt that is the intent, content can be behind paywalls so I see cookie acceptance as a form of paywall. if they are claiming otherwise you get stuck with only paid content.

So can they do previews only without running afoul of the law and they specifying cookies for full access?




> you get stuck with only paid content.

That’s fine, isn’t it? They want money, I want information. If the information is worth it, I pay.


> If the information is worth it, I pay.

So it's up to you to decide if the information is worthy? After already seeing that information? And you promise you will forget that information after not liking it and not paying for it?


You can ask for payment before showing the information.


I see how it could be read like this, but this is not what I meant to imply.

It's of course classic upfront payment. I realize this only works for larger articles. For news feeds a subscription would probably work better.

This will probably lead to market consolidation over time, but that's capitalism.


Consent can't be a form of paywall under GDPR. GDPR defines that valid consent must be freely given, and explicitly mentions that if providing service is conditional on providing consent then that is not freely given consent.

Consent that's not freely given is not valid legal basis for processing personal data according to GDPR. If users clicked "I agree" under these circumstances, then that "agreement" click is worthless, it does not grant any extra permission that the website owner did not already have.

In essence, GDPR makes that consent to processing private data is not for sale, it's not something you can legally trade away in a contract for some money or benefit.

It's valid to have informative click-through walls - to gather assertions that the user has been informed that you're going to do stuff with their data because you have a legal basis to do it even if they don't opt-in; but a click-through wall fundamentally can not be a mechanism of obtaining valid consent to some processing where consent is needed. GDPR consent must be opt-in, fully informed, and freely given - something that some of your users intentionally choose because they want to. If you expect all users to "consent" to some processing then that's impossible - you would rather have to argue that the "legitimate need" or some other part of GDPR allows you to process that data without consent. You can have all users acknowledge something, but you can't have all users consent to something, that's not how opt-in consent works.


I'm not sure that is correct.

Several Austrian and German Newspapers present me with a clear popup choice "Accept Tracking" or "Pay Money"

The Washington post does the same.

Websites are not required to give you their content for free.


Websites are not required to give their content for free - a "Pay money or go away" popup is completely valid.

But websites are not allowed to track people who don't really want to be tracked. If the choice was "accept tracking or go away" then clicking "accept tracking" does not give them a legally valid consent to track me. There's nothing illegal about that popup as such, it's the tracking without consent that would be a violation.

Can you give me a link to some of these Austrian and German newspapers so that I can try out their approval pipeline? If that's really the case (all kinds of minor nuances may change the situation) then my intent is to click "accept", followed by a GDPR request of how they're using my data, and if their response indicates "consent" as the basis for processing something, then I'll submit a complaint to my local DPA (which may get resolved by the end of year..)

My point is that some EU companies still doing X is not a sign that X is permitted - often all it means that GDPR is not enforced for them yet. I see a lot of local practices that are still happening despite our local DPA clearly stating that this is not 'kosher' - it takes a lot of time to make all industries comply, there have been a lot of changes (mostly for the mass market companies handling offline customers, everything from hospitals to the rental markets to supermarket loyalty cards) but there's a lot of noncompliance out there. Every now and then another subindustry gets investigated (probably prioritized by the number of complaints) and after some action gets taken, all the other local companies in that industry tidy up somewhat.


> Several Austrian and German Newspapers present me with a clear popup choice "Accept Tracking" or "Pay Money"

I'we only seen "Accept ads" or "Pay Money", which makes it bit different.

There are also non-tracking ads, and you can consent to be tracked even if you pay money.


Consent can't be a form of paywall under GDPR. GDPR defines that valid consent must be freely given, and explicitly mentions that if providing service is conditional on providing consent then that is not freely given consent.

Which is absurd. Did I not "freely give" $20 when I bought a pizza because if I had been able to get the pizza without paying I would have?

GDPR consent must be opt-in, fully informed, and freely given - something that some of your users intentionally choose because they want to.

And there's no reason for customers to opt-in when you're not allowed to offer anything in exchange. I would respect the GDPR a lot more if it directly banned "unnecessary" data collection, rather than going through these silly rituals of companies using dark patterns to try to claim that users agreed.


"And there's no reason for customers to opt-in when you're not allowed to offer anything in exchange." is kind of the point - the goal of GDPR is to stop the unwanted invasions of privacy, not extract some additional compensation from companies in exchange for being permitted to continue all these things. It's designed so that it would not be possible for a standard privacy-violating website to become GDPR compliant by writing some legalese or showing some popups or offering some discounts in exchange, the only way for the industry to become compliant should be by actual change in behavior so that there's much less tracking and violating the user's privacy.

The valid reasons for customers to opt-in are in scenarios where they desire the result to be customised according to that private data - where the customer wants you to use that data because that actual use benefits them. E.g. a dating site user might want you to use all kinds of private data for the purposes of finding better date matches. And the same user might not want you to use that same data for any other purposes or share it with third parties. And the intended result of GDPR (as the enforcement slowly changes the common practices) is a world where these user's privacy preferences are actually respected.

So the consent question comes down to essentially "are the users gifting you this data because they want you to have it?" - if so, knock yourself out, everyone's happy. But any selling or trading that consent is not binding or enforceable.

The most effective analogy that I can think of is sexual consent.

Like, if I sign a contract saying "You can fuck my arse and I get 5 euros for that" then that by itself does not count as valid consent, that's a nonenforceable term, it's null and void. At every future point I'm free to not have my arse fucked unless I really want to (or there's some other legal basis, IDK, a warrant for a cavity search), that's an unalienable right, it's not something that I can sign away in a contract, and doing so without my actual consent would be rape no matter what I signed in the contract.

In the exact same manner, under GDPR if I sign a contract saying "You can violate my privacy and I get 5 euros for that" then that by itself does not count as valid consent, that's a nonenforceable term, it's null and void. At every future point I'm free to not have my privacy violated unless I want to (or there's some other legal basis), that's an unalienable right, it's not something that I can sign away in a contract, and doing so without my actual consent would be a privacy rights violation despite the contract.




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