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I really (really!) appreciate how thin they are. The new 15in is as heavy as the old 13in. Really nice when you have to carry it around all the time. The biggest pain point is the lack of ports (4 ports including power) is not enough. The older models had around 5+ ports and still required dongles. Everything else aside from the keyboard is a minor issue (e.g. getting more ram today versus in the future is just a question of deferring costs).


> getting more ram today versus in the future is just a question of deferring costs

Not really. I had a 2011 MacBook. In 2015 I was able to upgrade the RAM to chips that didn't exist in 2011. Technically they weren't supported, but they worked just fine. I couldn't have done that if the chips were soldered to the board.

I also upgraded the drive from spinning disk to a much larger SSD. Again an upgrade I couldn't have done otherwise.

It allowed me to keep using the machine until 2017.


We're in the same boat. I'm using the last 2012 pre-retina unibody 15". With maxed out RAM and SSD it's adequate for nearly everything I've thrown at it.

It's also had an admirable run, so I'd be happy to buy again at some point... but a matte screen matters to me. As does a good keyboard. And being able to swap out the drive. All more than any spec or form factor improvements that have happened subsequently.

So while I'd be happy to have replaced this laptop by now, maybe even more than once... Apple simply does not sell replacements for this laptop. They sell laptops which have a mix of regressions and somewhat improved performance (and they're thinner!). And past a point of meeting certain demands, the regressions matter more than performance gains or ounces lost.

Maybe when it finally dies, I'll see if I can find a serviceable 2015 model. Or maybe by then WSL will be an acceptable alternative and this will be the last of half a dozen Apple machines I bought.

And they'll be as happy about it as I will, because as many pundits, product managers, and fans like to say: maybe people like me just aren't part of their target market anymore.


I’m still using my 2011 due to the ability to update the RAM and SSD. I’m moving to a Windows 10/iPad/server setup, but I still use my laptop on occasion.


I meant that were the chips upgradeable, you would still spend the money, only you would do it later. With the components soldered on, you have to spend the money today, not 4 years later.

I'm also of the opinion that hardware today is going to improve rather little in the coming years. For instance, with the option of having 16/32gb of ram, I don't see the need to upgrade the laptop on account of the memory for a good 5 years, at least. Even the new SSDs have 2gb throughput, _much_ higher than the SSD you installed into your 2011 MacBook.

Finally, Macs have always had amazing resale value. You can always sell a 5 year model for a few hundred dollars and invest in something that will be much better.


> I meant that were the chips upgradeable, you would still spend the money, only you would do it later.

Yes, but my point was that I couldn't spend the money up front even if I wanted to, because the thing I upgraded to didn't exist. It's not "deferred cost" if you get something better later. It's only deferred cost if you get the same thing but later.


It absolutely is. I honestly can’t imagine a component upgrade that hasn’t strongly suggest a new chipset/mobo as well over the past decade.


> getting more ram today versus in the future is just a question of deferring costs

I see as giving you more flexibility, because you don't always know how much you'll need. Without this flexibility, you choose low, and are stuck with a slow computer, or you choose high, and you may end up paying a ton for a computer you may not need.


> I really (really!) appreciate how thin they are. The new 15in is as heavy as the old 13in.

Are these the same thing? Thickness and weight?

How much more material is required to make a laptop a couple millimetres thicker?

I would have assumed most of the weight reduction would be from making the battery smaller?


It's also more efficient processors and hardware in general. You get more power for a smaller battery, which results in a thinner frame and lighter laptop


>getting more ram today versus in the future is just a question of deferring costs

What scenario did you have in mind? RAM in macbooks is soldered. Getting more ram in the future means finding a new computer.

The 8gb ram/256gb config is insulting. It's like a base model car without power windows or locks or a radio. Pure lemon.


But thickness != heaviness.

My Thinkpad X1 is lighter than the Macbook Pro and has more ports.


Yeah, the Thinkpads seem like the best Windows laptops. If I used Windows, it would be an X1. Don't much care for the carbon fibre body (love the aluminum of the MacBooks) but the weight is excellent on those.




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