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I need regular confirmation that some people really are slower. My whole life, I've refused to really believe in intelligence. Although I loved the attention of being the 'smart kid', I've always insisted that I just liked reading and puzzles and things, and if anyone else spent as much time reading and writing as I did, they'd be pretty smart too. Of course, some people really don't like reading the kind of nonsense that I do and all the other stuff that comes with it, and it might be more than just preference.

I might really enjoy slam-dunking basketballs if I just did it more, but there is a really good chance that its never gonna happen, no matter how much I try.

This is a fact of life that I'm often unwilling to admit. I'm sure that contributes to the impatience a lot of people feel, we have very little empathy for people who don't comprehend and analyze the same way that we do. Where would that empathy come from? Analogous experience with slam dunks, maybe.



I've always insisted that I just liked reading and puzzles and things, and if anyone else spent as much time reading and writing as I did, they'd be pretty smart too.

Fifteen years ago, I would have told you they secretly understood that and thought you were a sucker for bothering. I always suspected that people used the concept of "intelligence" and their supposed lack of it to excuse themselves from responsibilities such as reading a god damned book once in a while.

How could either of us be disproved? Ability and sustained effort go together so consistently that the exceptions are too rare to mean anything. Whether success enables effort or effort enables success, there's no denying they're found together. I did many things "effortlessly" in school because I started learning them years before. I read (and studied and reread) an Isaac Asimov book on basic physics ("Understanding Physics") in junior high, so is it any wonder physics came "effortlessly" to me in high school? I started learning high school chemistry from a "Chemistry the Easy Way" study guide a year and a half before I took the class; is it any wonder I got As despite being a lazy student who never paid attention in class?

Of course, part of the draw of learning physics and chemistry was that I was acting out a role I enjoyed, that of the "smart kid." So I was "smart" because I did the work because I liked being "smart"... who can find the beginning of that? I remember that in first grade we decorated coat hangers with little construction paper cards for each book we read, and I wanted mine to have more cards than anybody else's. There's no telling how it started.

I might really enjoy slam-dunking basketballs if I just did it more, but there is a really good chance that its never gonna happen, no matter how much I try.

You should admit that you really don't care enough to find out how your body would respond to six months of an hour of daily training aimed at dunking a basketball, and you should consider whether your attitude towards dunking a basketball is any different from a "stupid" person's attitude toward acquiring "intelligence." A twinge of regret, yet security in yourself as you are, and fear that commitment to change would be futile, and worse, appear foolish.


'You should admit that you really don't care enough to find out how your body would respond to six months of an hour of daily training aimed at dunking a basketball, and you should consider whether your attitude towards dunking a basketball is any different from a "stupid" person's attitude toward acquiring "intelligence." A twinge of regret, yet security in yourself as you are, and fear that commitment to change would be futile, and worse, appear foolish.'

That would hint that many "stupid" people around us are not stupid, just insecure. Having the OP belief that "there is no Intel.", perhaps this is why I always try to convince people around me that they can understand math/science/programming etc. :-\


I do value athletics highly and I believe I could overcome my vertical ineptitude, but the reality is that my stature gave me an advantage in wrestling and a major disadvantage in basketball, so I went with what worked and put my effort into being a wrestler.

This is why natural ability is such a hard thing for me to accept - I really believe that I can be good at anything, and I believe that is true of other people as well, but if they don't believe it, how will it happen?

It's kind of a chicken and egg problem, or maybe a qualia problem. I have an empowering imagination and I surround myself with like people. I can't imagine someone else lacking that - but maybe some people do? I don't know, its a little frustrating.


> This is why natural ability is such a hard thing for me to accept - I really believe that I can be good at anything, and I believe that is true of other people as well, but if they don't believe it, how will it happen?

To me, what you can do in life all comes down to a Henry Ford quote:

"Whether you believe you can, or you believe you can't, you're right."


While there are limits, they're sometimes further than you think. I am a 5'10" white guy, and I really wanted to dunk basketballs, so I "just did it more". I dunked on shorter hoops, read books, experimented with every method of practicing and training, soaked up sports medicine journal articles, and pored over everything related on the internet. Eventually, I could dunk quite easily, and even developed my own system for helping others do the same.


Even though it offends my egalitarian idealism, the existence of a "g factor" is pretty well documented. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/G_factor_(psychometrics)



Sounds like a lot of gobbledy gook to me.


I think my version of your refusal to believe in intelligence is to refuse to treat intelligence as a scalar quantity - it really has a lot of dimensions. Saying "that person is smart" is pointless because it doesn't give you any idea of what they are actually smart at.

It's also strong belief that most people are pretty smart at something, and those of us who normally get labeled as being conventionally smart are just lucky enough to have easily identified aptitudes which are picked up in school/university.

Some of the stupidest things I've ever seen people do were actually done by people who were exceptional in a narrowly defined area.


I think intelligence or skill comes from a combination of mental energy, focusing, internal values, and internal reward factors and motivations. The OP basically became slower because his brain had less energy to work with. Especially internal reward factors. If something is so internally rewarding, it can amplify all the other factors of intelligence 50 fold (energy, ease of focus, adjustment of values, etc). What other unusual attributes of intelligence did von neumann for example have? Some people describe him as being able to catch up to the current scientific state of the art to a PhD level in many fields in a year or two if he suddenly rose from the dead like a vampire today because he was that intelligent.


I think the real sting of such a belief is the fact you don't have the security that comes with the belief "I have that inherent ability, no matter what happens"


Yea, the whole "hierarchy of intelligence" thing that most people buy into is just rubbish. To say that one person is smarter or more intelligent than another really has no meaning at all, without further qualification or context.

I've also always been one of the "smart kids", but I think it's a load of horseshit.


> I need regular confirmation that some people really are slower.

Ask me daily. I'll confirm once a week.


SlownessReminder?


Someone calling you weekly and saying idiotic things?

I wonder if anybody would pay for that, and, at the same time, whether that would be a sign of narcissism.


You don't neee a phone service to hear idiotic things. Turn on any TV political pundit or any reality show.


Or read this comment! "neee"? That's what I get for typing on a mobile phone right when I wake up.




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