This is such a cynical statement that I'm tired of seeing on HN.
Yes, the article mentions a product from the company, not in a sneaky way. The rest of it, some 2,800 words, is interesting and informative--to me, at least.
An article can be both informative and self-serving, and there's nothing wrong with that, provided there's no deception. Most of what you read online is self-serving, in some way.
First of all, your caveat does not hold. This article is deceptive in full. None of the advice presented here is good at all... "divide the room into quadrants and search each quadrant"? Why? Just search the entire room. The article fundamentally gives the impression that you will not actually be able to locate any spygear unless you have an RF detector and a camera beacon simply by not giving any good advice otherwise. "Check if the outlet covers have been changed?"
right, because when I bug a house that I own, I also buy a new outlet cover.
No one trying to sell you something is going to tell you how you could effectively live your life without their product. This is fundamentally deceptive, and seems to have gone so far as to have fooled even you.
None of the advice presented here is good at all... "divide the room into quadrants and search each quadrant"? Why?
The article answers that:
Splitting the room into sections will help you to systematically and meticulously go through the room and clear each section without skipping over any of the fine details.
This strategy is generally known as “divide and conquer”.
no, the strategy of divide and conquer exclusively refers to situations in which the whole is greater than the sum of the parts, in this case they are exactly equal.
In military parlance, it means that you have a much greater advantage against 2 armies of half size separately than against them both simultaneously. This is known as Lanchester's law, and the whole point is that it's non-linear.
In algorithms, the idea is roughly that, given a method which solves a problem, it is often cheaper to split your input, solve each half, then merge them, than it is to run the algorithm on the entire input. Again, non-linear.
Dividing your room into quadrants provides NO advantage to searching your room. You still have to search each unit area methodically.
I'm pretty sure most people have a pretty intuitive understanding of how to perform a methodical search of a room. The article promises clever tricks for finding bugs and cameras in a room without having to spend any money, and fails to deliver on that premise, deceptively, because it is solely an advertisement for a device that is FAR more expensive than it needs to be.
>I'm pretty sure most people have a pretty intuitive understanding of how to perform a methodical search of a room
And surgeons were pretty sure they'd never leave an implement inside a patient, but the stats still improved with the introduction of checklists. Like checklists, the quadrant method means there's less demand on your memory, which means less chance of forgetting things if something unexpected happens.
The checklist can also be ordered such that the lowest-hanging fruit is covered first. Start with the vent covers, overhead lights, and smoke detectors, because those are the places where it's easiest for an unskilled spy to hide monitoring devices. Any hole cut into the sheetrock for a legit purpose could also have a peephole near it.
I bought a house that had a slight dimple in the heating duct of a ground-level bathroom, mostly concealed by the vent cover. I went down into the basement, and surely enough, from a certain spot, I had a clear view of the toilet and shower from below. I bent the duct back flush with the edge of the hole, and concluded that was probably one of the reasons that the sellers were getting divorced. So you might not find a camera. There might be an actual eyeball there sometimes. An electronic scanner isn't going to find that.
This is almost obviously untrue. This is a technique used for any task that requires thorough analysis of a space, like crime scenes and archaeological digs. Sometimes to a much more fine grained resolution than just quadrants. Saying that people can "just search the entire room" is like asking why can't you "just search the entire crime scene" or "just dig out the whole fossil". It trivializes the amount of effort needed to actually perform the task to the detail required, and dismisses the insight that a little bit of work division actually can improve performance for the exact same overall task despite the overhead it adds.
> I'm pretty sure most people have a pretty intuitive understanding of how to perform a methodical search of a room.
I'm pretty sure most us techies have a pretty intuitive understanding of how to methodically build software yet we still see great benefits in breaking down projects into smaller tasks.
My point is the bigger picture often looks easy from the outset but in practice most people do benefit from dividing jobs up into smaller tasks or quadrants and focusing on each of those individually.
One caveat to your otherwise good set of examples: Lanchester's law applies mostly to modern forces equipped with firearms, for which the non-linear effects manifest.
The origin of the "divide and conquer" idea, the "divide and rule", is also about non-linear effects. At least two can be named here: thresholding (ensure your opponents into groups small enough you can take any individual on directly), and Metcalfe's law (effect of a group grows with the square of number of fully-involved participants).
The article is very shallow and it's just a wordy regurgiration of common sense stuff. Certainly not something of professional level it claims to describe.
> An article can be both informative and self-serving, and there's nothing wrong with that, provided there's no deception. Most of what you read online is self-serving, in some way.
But can it be, really? Usually one of the two goals suffers badly.
The top 50% of this article reads like low-effort content marketing cookie-cutter nonsense, and I almost stop reading there. It got somewhat interesting towards the other half, true, but someone interested in informing people instead of pushing their product (and the need for their products) could easily shorten this article by 50+%.
The point isn't that the article isn't an advertisement, it's that it isn't just an advertisement. If it provides value we shouldn't immediately dismiss it just for being an ad.
The LEDs on the front flash a certain wavelength of red light in an attention-grabbing manner and the filter blocks a lot of other light sources so the flashing red glint is easier to spot. It's pretty ingeniously simple. Of course it'll detect lots of other curved, reflective objects--the user has to verify it's a camera through manual inspection.
These aren't looking for lenses as much as the reflection from the sensor. I imagine with a small enough aperture, things would be come difficult for you and the camera.
I have read before about a supposed fluorescence or perhaps reflection peak of the sensor itself, but I have never seen an actual scientific paper describing the setup, I suspect a simple filter and the naked eye would not suffice for this type of detection. The previous time I read a comment about such a system was by someone who worked (in-?)directly for a cinema, in order to detect people filming the movie.
To detect the reflection from the sensor in the case of a real lensless pinhole camera you would have to be on the line perpendicular to the sensor through the hole, else the reflecting ray would not return through the pinhole.
If someone knows more about the supposed systems that actually detect fluorescence or the antireflective coating spectrum of the light sensor itself please please reply!
I now recall that the claim was not that the image sensor itself fluoresced or raman scattered or whatever in a characteristic way, but that it was the IR blocking filter before the sensor...
this immediately makes the setup less usefull for surveillance cameras as they will typically not be optimized for color fidelity, but for light sensitivity, so without IR filter...
Nevertheless I would still be interested in more details or the exact mechanism or references...
That's a good point. The IR filter should light up like a beacon with most red LEDs that include a bunch of IR, such as the ones you see in a ring around most night-vision security cameras. I don't know if that would be detectable with just the naked eye and a filter, though. You'd have to have another camera capable of seeing the IR.
However it wouldn't detect those same night-vision cameras, since they are most often just standard webcam guts with that IR filter omitted as you say.. I really think this thing is just what it says--a lens detector, which catches specular glints off the glass lens and doesn't have much to do with the actual CCD or CMOS or whatever sensor is underneath. It could definitely be making use of the IR filter on most cameras to make those shine particularly bright.
yes I also for no second believe this cheapo led ring with filter is the hypothetical camera detector used in cinemas, but that instead it is based on reflections. A voyeur-run room could simply use lots of glass beads in an artistic way to decorate the room like glueed to the walls etc.
I'm not sure how the cinema version works though, or might the IR filter be a dielectric high-pass filter (similar to how anti-reflective coatings work), passing red but reflecting near IR?
Optically in the near IR that would be equivalent to a mirror between sensor and lense, for simplicity lets pretend the filter is nearly in the same plane as the sensor in the focal plane, then parallel rays focused at infinity would converge to a point on the mirror, which means the light should retroreflect, but the intensity of retroreflection should be highest at the optical axis, and quickly fall off away rom the axis... that makes for 4 DOF to "scan" direction to aim the beam of light, and 2-dimensional position with respect to aperture... so you need to be either lucky or have a very good idea of typical orientation and position of the camera, which would also explain the usage in cinema's you know the orientation of the camera so now only 2d of freedomm left...
Probably way crappier, but for what these electronics entail the one sold by the website in the post is vastly overpriced. It's a very simple radio, a battery, some LEDs, and an optical filter of some kind. Likely just a red gel. Plus, how great of a bug detector do most people really need? The main features are all there and it's probably workable in most cases.
Disclaimer, I don't own this. It could be a mega-turd, don't buy it on my account.
That's not how you should buy tools, though. Unless you're a professional who is making a living with these tools, you don't walk straight up to the Snap-On truck and drop several grand on all the highest quality stuff. You go to Hazard Fraught and get the cheap ones, then you replace the ones that actually wear out or don't cut the mustard with something a few tiers up. Most of it will work just fine for a decade at a twentieth of the price.
The crowd here could probably build one of these out of whatever's in the junk drawer. Looks like it's the RX half of a cheap analogue walkie-talkie and some flashing lights. That's it. Two hundred bucks is egregious. Maybe if you were an actual LEO or a private eye, but for most people it makes absolutely no sense to buy the $200 version without first seeing if the $10 version does the job.
Well this is certainly subjective and dependent on multiple factors. It may very well be that you could get a similar device for $10-$20 or scrap one together for as much, but its probably not going to come with a good warranty or much reassurance of it's actual performance. And also, just as the crowd here is more likely to be able to build one, the crowd here is also more likely to be able to drop $200 on something if they want it.
Use cases matter. Someone worried about voyeurs should think like voyeurs. They're driven by impulse and most of the time are probably not going to be super organized or resourceful. There's no need to waste your money on RF detectors or camera lens detectors if you are dealing with the kind of hidden surveillance equipment you'd see on Amazon; it's not that sneaky and you can just examine objects like clocks, smoke alarms, door hooks, and phone chargers for obvious cameras. These kind of surveillance devices are really only hidden to people who aren't looking for them.
OTOH if it matters enough to want a camera lens or RF detector I'd definitely at least want a good piece of tool. Doesn't have to be the one in the article, but it'd certainly be worth considering. This is especially true in cases of potential corporate espionage and other situations of similar importance.
Not at all saying there isn't a market for a cheaper device or a DIY replacement, but to be honest I think a lot of people are better off with buying nothing, if you ask me.