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Firing people is ridiculously hard in France. I would say quite an important point in case startup experiences anything else but ideal logarithmic growth, actually even in that case (realizing somebody wasn't a great hire after trial period)


You can fire at will for the first 4 month, renewable once, so practically 8 month, for IT people.

It's plenty of time to determine whether someone is fit for a job or not.


Short sighted / Incomplete. The odds are you'll be a service co, hence, "high" salaries. There will be up and downs in your sales, and you will find yourself in a cash crunch at some point - especially when you are "small" with just few projects at a time - and you will have to fire. If you do that by the book, you wont be allowed to hire for 2 years. It just makes it incredibly hard to manage, hence, the reluctance to hire quickly, and ... the thrive of consulting services (often more than 50% of the dev team are consultants ... ;-) ). It's a mess, for everyone.


It's hard if you don't have a good reason.

I think the economic instability in a startup (a real one) would allow more freedom.


Have been working in San Francisco for 6 years. Actually, contrary to what you believe, there are approximately the same rules. You cannot fire people in the US without reason too.


What about using consultants, it might be easier to "hire/fire" them?


This is what I would expect, but in some places state tries hard to force self-employed consultants into permanent positions (not sure how France works in this regard). And if you mean external company consultants, they are not much cheaper.


I was thinking about external company consultant, since I have more experience with that type than self-employed (I'm a consultant, working for a big French consulting firm (Alten)). Also I think there's more available company consultant than self-employed consultants in France.

I agree that external company consultant are more expensive than employees, but on the other hand it's much more flexible than employees.

> in some places state tries hard to force self-employed consultants into permanent positions

I don't think that France is trying to do that, but it's from talking to a half-dozen of self-employed consultant, so anecdote, not checking the legislation. Still in France, regarding consultants, there's a limit on how long a consultant can stay in the same mission, I think that beyond three years, the law state that they should become employee where they are really working. But I don't know how much it is applied.




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