Absolutely amazing that's what you see. Tesla shareholder, friend?
His main complain is mandatory overtime, bad production flow, dangerous working conditions, frequent injuries, and management refuses to listen to feedback. In short, it's a dangerous irresponsible sweatshop from the 19th century.
Will moving the plant to Tennessee or Nevada help because you believe there are no federal labor regulations or safety considerations in those states?
I live in Fremont. The Tesla plant is our #1 employer and I'd really like to keep it. I'm suggesting that the employee stick to arguments that makes sense to everyone (work causing physical harm) and which are in Tesla's interest to fix. Keep away from arguments which are little more than "you should move away."
I remember the GM plant closing. I don't want to see a repeat.
Oh, right so your response is I am a fool. Good response.
You'd like to keep the factory in your town. But you don't care the workers are being abused and working in unsafe conditions. Why is that specifically that you feel this way? That you would want your friends and neighbors to be treated abusively and subjected to needlessly dangerous conditions? I really don't see why someone as a resident of Fremont who has absolutely no other connection to Fremont or this factory would adopt such a position. Please enlighten me.
You're misinterpreting cjensen's comments. This is Hacker News, where people like to use an engineering mindset to find smaller faults in arguments, even when they may agree with the overall argument. I believe cjensen's purpose in commenting was to constructively criticize the author's complaints. He's saying this one specific complaint, about regional wages, is flawed because Tesla could theoretically solve that one specific complaint in a way that hurts those workers, by moving the jobs away to a cheaper cost-of-living region.
The point is that by removing the flawed argument, and keeping the legitimate arguments, the overall message becomes stronger.
Your accusation "But you don't care the workers are being abused and working in unsafe conditions." is inventing and attacking something that cjensen never said or implied.
> But you don't care the workers are being abused and working in unsafe conditions. Why is that specifically that you feel this way? That you would want your friends and neighbors to be treated abusively and subjected to needlessly dangerous conditions?
I think you missed the part where the parent wrote:
> I'm suggesting that the employee stick to arguments that makes sense to everyone (work causing physical harm) and which are in Tesla's interest to fix.
Either that, or you're not here for an honest exchange of ideas.
You appear to be assuming that because I disagreed with one thing the guy said, I must disagree with all of the things he said. That is wrong: please dial back on assuming things.
Please calm down. This is not a place for bickering.
Not only that but you're misunderstanding cjensen's comments, which were suggesting that the complainant stick to the poor working conditions as the basis of their complaint. Your response challenging that they should have more concern for the poor working conditions doesn't make any sense.
They're not going to move the plant. They can't. Musk has set a goal of 500k cars by 2018. This one is cranking out 74k. Even with the Audi genius, no way in hell are they multiplying throughout by 7x at this facility in the next 10 months. They are going to need more facilities. Period.
There's a reason all of the Rust Belt manufacturing moved to the South East, and it ain't the weather. Who'd have thought that low taxes and right to work laws would lead to economic expansion, and their opposite would lead to contraction?
They might want to rethink the wisdom of that comment: that's a great argument to move the plant to Tennessee. Or Nevada.