Far as patents, there's a quite a variety of them with some filed within the current 20 year window. I repeat for a third time, do you have a resource with a list of patents relevant to ECC and showing that none of them apply to any current implementations (esp BSD licensed)? It might surprise you but your word doesn't mean jack in a patent case: it's the patents, lawyers, and judges that settle it. So, I'm only going to back down on ECC patent risk if we get a definitive statement across these patent portfolios that there's zero risk on one or more implementations. What you all have given me so far is (a) there's no patents on ECC whatsoever, a lie or idiocy; (b) some non-lawyer said certain ones don't apply so magically they all don't in a real court; (c) you personally believe nothing applies so they won't in a court; (d) there's software licenses going on so patents don't apply in a real court despite NSA et al licensing patents. It all sounds really weak. People have lost suits and their profits for less.
I'm still awaiting your reference with evidence that each of the ECC patents don't apply to OSS or commercial implementations. Additionally, since it was added, I'd like your side to cite evidence that everyone is licensing software implementations instead of patents that don't apply to anything. That contradicts what I linked to so burden of proof is on you to show there's no patent-related licensing but software instead.
The references I linked cover 8 patents out of 130. For the fourth time, please link to evidence that they and the other 122 don't apply to anything we might build in ECC. And also that NSA and companies wasted millions on patent licenses for nothing.
Otherwise, it's obvious that you are spreading advice without the slightest idea of what's true here. Otherwise, you'll probably have a link to all those patents and analysis of how they don't apply that you can post within next few minutes. A link to analysis you and your side have already done rather than crap you're making up on the spot. You're faking it though, so you won't have anything to post.
Like everyone else in the ECC debate. Nothing but your word, which at one point thought patents didn't exist (neither the NSA nor anybody else has a patent on ECC). Given you're knee deep in this stuff and supposedly a security professional you must have been lying. There's no way you couldn't have known as a crypto/security geek that there were patents on ECC given all the debates. But you assured everyone here that nobody else has a patent on ECC. Such lies could've cost commercial groups that trusted you quite a lot.
I understand if you're more focused on dismissing the competition than proving 100+ patents don't apply to your claims. It's way less work that way. You'd have to dig them up, read them, evaluate them from a legal perspective, and write up reasons they don't apply. Complex, boring stuff compared to coding. I'll understand if you never take the effort to back your claims about 100+ patents and expect the rest of us to do the same.
It is still true that neither the NSA nor anybody else has a patent on ECC, any more than anybody has a patent on computers at this point. I'm sure you can find 100+ patents with titles like "Parallel Digital Computer" with very little effort, though. That doesn't mean that anybody who wants to use a computer for something needs to worry they're infringing patents.
I am not a "security professional", nor have I ever been, nor have I ever claimed to be.
There is no "competition" involved here.
There is no "ECC debate".
You already linked to a Wikipedia article that explains the patent status of different ECC systems. It's not my problem if you don't understand it.
The FIPS 140-2 claim comes from the NSA's licensing of those patents and requirements:
https://www.nsa.gov/business/programs/quick_facts.shtml
Far as patents, there's a quite a variety of them with some filed within the current 20 year window. I repeat for a third time, do you have a resource with a list of patents relevant to ECC and showing that none of them apply to any current implementations (esp BSD licensed)? It might surprise you but your word doesn't mean jack in a patent case: it's the patents, lawyers, and judges that settle it. So, I'm only going to back down on ECC patent risk if we get a definitive statement across these patent portfolios that there's zero risk on one or more implementations. What you all have given me so far is (a) there's no patents on ECC whatsoever, a lie or idiocy; (b) some non-lawyer said certain ones don't apply so magically they all don't in a real court; (c) you personally believe nothing applies so they won't in a court; (d) there's software licenses going on so patents don't apply in a real court despite NSA et al licensing patents. It all sounds really weak. People have lost suits and their profits for less.
I'm still awaiting your reference with evidence that each of the ECC patents don't apply to OSS or commercial implementations. Additionally, since it was added, I'd like your side to cite evidence that everyone is licensing software implementations instead of patents that don't apply to anything. That contradicts what I linked to so burden of proof is on you to show there's no patent-related licensing but software instead.