Here's what I don't get about rent control: how is it actually benefitting the renter? If a landlord has a few different units, some under rent control, some not, and some cash to spend on improvements, why would he spend it on improving the rent-controlled units? The Facebook post that was here yesterday even said so much:
> The few of us who still remain in San Francisco have no choice but to live in sub-par conditions like mold, windows that don't shut, rodents and countless other issues because there is no other choice, because the rents are so high you can't move so you don't.
This is what you get when you set the price artificially below market value: subpar product. Has anyone here seen Soviet-era apartments? They were exactly like this. So in the long run, the place will fall apart around the renter, and they will be pretty much powerless to do anything about it. And the bit about "can't move" because it's too expensive just means that the area is now too expensive for you and rent-control is the only thing allowing you to stay here.
If the excuse is that your job is here, well maybe your job is not paying you enough to live in SF. Perhaps founders should stop starting companies in this incredibly expensive area, and explore greener pastures.
The price wasn't far below anything. The price has historically been average, if not above above average. Those problems persist because "bad landlord".
The only difference now is the skyrocketing rates in SF due to dot com 2.0 immigration. The same thing happened back in 1999-2000. EVERYONE had to be in SF for the boom back them, so rates skyrocketed. When the bubble burst, rents leveled off while the rest of the country eventually (almost) caught up.
Plus there's the "Google / Facebook" stipend. Google & Facebook were having a hard time hiring because employees couldn't find a place to live. Google / FB started offering $1k / mo above asked monthly rates to help employees get units quick. That also helped bump up even the worst apartments up to unrealistic levels.
I'm pretty sure this isn't a thing, at least as far as Google is concerned. At least, I work there and live in SF and have never heard of it.
Pay is higher in the Bay Area due to high cost of living, like for most companies, but I've never heard of a housing-specific "stipend" or anything like that.
That rent control has bad outcomes is uncontroversial. The question is, are they worse than forcing people out of their homes.
Obviously for many people, "People with money can't have something they want" is a better outcome than "people with less money will be required to leave their homes and go to less desirable places." You can, of course, disagree, but there is nothing strange or puzzling about this value judgement.
You can say "that's how capitalism works, tough shit" but SF has found a power which is in this case mightier than the market: law.
If it were the case that eliminating rent control would cause rents to settle somewhere reasonable and such an exodus would not happen, then that would be a compelling argument.
But HN instead argues that those people deserve to be forced out of their homes. Obviously if eradication of rent control is landlords' condition for building new construction, they intend to raise rents further, otherwise they would not demand the ability to do so. You may think that's fine, but you can't really say it's unreasonable for the people who lose in that situation to oppose it.
> The few of us who still remain in San Francisco have no choice but to live in sub-par conditions like mold, windows that don't shut, rodents and countless other issues because there is no other choice, because the rents are so high you can't move so you don't.
This is what you get when you set the price artificially below market value: subpar product. Has anyone here seen Soviet-era apartments? They were exactly like this. So in the long run, the place will fall apart around the renter, and they will be pretty much powerless to do anything about it. And the bit about "can't move" because it's too expensive just means that the area is now too expensive for you and rent-control is the only thing allowing you to stay here.
If the excuse is that your job is here, well maybe your job is not paying you enough to live in SF. Perhaps founders should stop starting companies in this incredibly expensive area, and explore greener pastures.