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I tried applying for one of these permits on the largest stage in the US -- NYC -- on several occasions. The Parks Dept, which issues such permits, is a nightmare to deal with: they charge per application, require multiple applications merely to check different dates, and regularly lie about the availability of parks.

You might think spontaneous assembly is an option, and in some cases it is, but if you're going to have speakers (people), you need a sound system, and to set up a sound system you need a police permit, and to get a police permit you need a Parks permit. Start setting up without these and you'll be arrested before anyone utters a word.

Then there are the various "public-private spaces". Try applying for a permit to rally in Zuccotti Park and the go-to person will put you on hold, only to come back and say they are only issuing permits for cultural events. So the developers get their air rights, while the public gets the muzzle. Bullshit. Anil Dash has written about this some: http://dashes.com/anil/2012/03/captive-atria-and-living-in-p...

Indeed, the very frequency with which the Farmers' Market is now held in Union Square, the most central spot in NYC and a place rich in social movements, might be construed as little more than cover for crowd control, have as it does the effect of making this space all but inaccessible to protesters.



the very frequency with which the Farmers' Market is now held in Union Square... might be construed as little more than cover for crowd control, have as it does the effect of making this space all but inaccessible to protesters.

Not saying your argument is unfounded, but may be overstated. I do most of my grocery shopping at union square, and there seems to be a protest there about 30% of the time. I'm sure some people get turned down, but it is clearly accessible to protesters often enough that there are basically permanent police barriers there.


Yes, but how many of these are rallies (with people speaking)? Even though the south end of the square is usually free, including on market days, Parks will tell you that they do not issue permits when the farmers are in the other parts of the square. Ask them why they issued one to, say, March Against Monsanto, and they'll say that event was "grandfathered in" (ie, has been happening for several years). (And ask MAM and they'll tell you it was a huge hassle for them as well.)

Meanwhile, on the north end of the square the city is privatizing park space: http://www.nydailynews.com/life-style/eats/restaurant-union-...


Much of what you describe may be unconstitutional. If you can substantiate these claims, and want to make a difference, I strongly urge you to find a lawyer. If you're serious, feel free to email me and we can talk more.


I'd be happy to talk. What's your email?


Great. It's my user name at gmail.com.




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