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What about allowing people to store wealth in a non-depreciating, attainable, liquid asset (something besides USD or mutual funds or a home made out of plywood), and limiting liability for health providers?


Your comment seems to imply that there's a good store of wealth that fits these criteria, but that it's not allowed. What is it?


There isn't right now. Someday Bitcoin might fill that role.


I'm not trying to be argumentative but lets assume Bitcoin becomes as liquid as USD (ie you can spend it on everything you can on USD without paying any higher transaction fees) what keeps the availability/depreciation matrix in check.

That is, if it is a great value store why won't people horde it, thus decreasing availability. If it becomes readily available, why wouldn't it become worth less?


I think one big problem is fact that there really can't be a long-term nonvolatile store of value. Economic activity is inherently continuous. There are a few goods that last more than a few years without maintenance or replacement. Economic output puts a hard limit on how quickly you can turn your value store into stuff you actually want. For an individual it doesn't make much difference, but when everybody tries to do it, it doesn't work.

For an extreme thought experiment, consider if everyone puts half their income into a perfect store of value for a year, living off the other half, then the next year they live off the savings. Everyone would die of starvation the second year even though they supposedly have just as much value available as what sustained them the year before.


Exactly


Hmm, I'm not sure how to answer that. Hoarding increases the unit price relative to other assets, but doesn't make it any less liquid. Essentially infinitely small amounts of bitcoin can be transacted at any time.


"non-depreciating, attainable, liquid asset (something besides USD"

What does that even mean?


Are you actually confused about the terms, or just trying to be facetious?


No, I'm curious what financial instrument meets all those requirements.


Glitter sprinkles?


Glitter sprinkles are available where you are? Well aren't you just living the dream!


TIPS?


I guess, for some definition of liquid.


TIPS already exist, and you can buy them online easily: https://www.treasurydirect.gov/indiv/products/prod_tips_glan... It doesn't magically fix human nature, which prioritizes immediate needs over very distant ones.


TIPS are not normally considered "liquid" (at least not as liquid as cash, which is the standard most people have) as they have minimum terms of ownership.


I suppose that would work if you trust the consumer price index. My own experience belies reported low inflation.


    >mutual funds
Vanguard offers many low-fee mutual funds.

Non-depreciating: The long-term return of stock indices and some bond indices beats inflation.

Attainable: $1000-$3000 minimum to open an account

Liquid: Funds can be bought or sold easily (with no fee), money is accessible via ACH.

I hope you are not suggesting that gold is a better investment than a diverse portfolio of stocks and bonds.


They're still based on or valued in USD, which is what the OP wanted to avoid. A lot of good those USD-valued mutual funds are going to do for you when they're worth peanuts due to a devaluation of the currency or its buying power.

"I hope you are not suggesting that gold is a better investment than a diverse portfolio of stocks and bonds." There are a lot of people that believe a big government/market crash is coming. And they're absolutely desperate for ways to weather it without eating their own toes off.


"There are a lot of people that believe a big government/market crash is coming. And they're absolutely desperate for ways to weather it without eating their own toes off."

Those people would be best served by buying ammunition.


Gold ETFs are fubar. Gold itself is not very liquid. There are all sorts of prohibitive fees and tax penalties for taking money out of a 401k or a mutual fund before a certain date. The barrier to accessing the value represented by any mutual fund or 401k holdings is substantial. It took me months to move money from one dead 401k to another one I controlled. Imagine the amount of effort required to spend $50.00 of a 401k on groceries.


"Liquid: Funds can be bought or sold easily (with no fee), money is accessible via ACH."

Just as a heads up, most finance folks don't consider being able to buy/sell something easily as the only bar to liquidity. Volatility is also a major component. That is, if something can change value dramatically from day to day it can be considered "illiquid". So lots of people do not consider mutual funds "liquid".




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