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To be completely honest: I don't believe anyone has that position in good faith.



I certainly know people who do. But then again, I travel in voluntaryist circles, so I'm predisposed to exactly the kind of people who might have that position. There aren't many.


I oppose all marriage, but I am willing to be pragmatic about this, and will vote for both legislation that liberalizes marriage and legislation that bans it.


Sure, and that's a rational, coherent viewpoint that doesn't require you to want to keep gays as lesser citizens. The viewpoint espoused by burntsushi requires it. I don't care if you think the state institution of marriage should be abolished--I even kind of agree--but if your idea of "holding the line" is "nah, fuck those people", you have jank in your worldview and I suspect very much I can identify it.


> The viewpoint espoused by burntsushi requires it.

I don't hold that viewpoint. I was merely demonstrating that one can be against gay marriage without being anti-gay.

> "nah, fuck those people"

Uh, no. I'm not doing it to those people. Government is.

Virtually every law regulating social behaviors (whether it's created or repealed) requires oppressing some class of people. In the case of State privileged marriage, it oppresses everyone who can't or won't marry but still want benefits only available to married persons.


Yes, you are saying "these people should not have the same rights as these other people."

You can, and given your posting I am sure will, continue to represent otherwise. You are unconvincing, and somebody who votes, or donates money, in the method of your stated position is an asshole. Because making the perfect the enemy of the good and ignoring that you hurt people in the process is wrong.


Well, you're just wrong about that. I'm personally aware of people who do.




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