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CmdrTaco's Trove (trove.com)
91 points by keveman on Jan 24, 2014 | hide | past | favorite | 56 comments



No wireless. Less space than a nomad. Lame.

(For you youngun's who don't get the joke: http://slashdot.org/story/01/10/23/1816257/apple-releases-ip...)


That's... not really a joke is it? You just kind of quoted him, and then helpfully provided a source.


Its a long running meme on slashdot. The original quote serves as a good example of how people most close to tech often have different views on it than its consumers.


It is also an example of how the technically superior product doesn't always win.


I'd say it's more an illustration of how "technically superior" can be difficult to measure on paper.

It's easy to compare specs, it's harder to compare the things that really matter: usability, elegance, workflow, functional performance, robustness, and aesthetics. These are the enduring characteristics of every product, and often it's easy to ignore such things given that they are very difficult to objectively measure.

Performance, for example, can be measured easily in terms of responsiveness of the UI, etc. But that doesn't reflect the actual end-to-end performance and perception of performance as experienced by a user performing real-world tasks. The same goes for usability, which is almost impossible to fully objectively measure.

It's easy to dismiss a product as inferior because it lacks features or has a different set of characteristics compared to an existing popular product, but that only works when there are no significant underlying differences in the above meta-features.

When Japanese car makers started to introduce their automobiles to the American market a lot of people made fun of their cars. Often the cars were small and underpowered in the muscle car dominated American market. But what those detractors didn't realize at the time was that those cars were extremely reliable and efficient, even if they lacked power and "cool" points. And eventually those types of cars came to be hugely popular.


"Survival of the fittest" often challenges our notions of what constitutes "fit".


Don't conflate "technically superior" with "more featureful" and "bigger numbers".


Because industrial design and UX doesn't matter when stacked against a spec list?


The iPod's success showed that yes, industrial design and UX do matter and can beat a spec list.


That was actually the common wisdom at the time, as I recall.


Qualifying that statement with "at the time" is being awfully generous to the present.


Because a spec list doesn't matter compared to the marketing engine that is Apple. Many superior products fell afoul of that.


Before the iPod/iMac, Apple didn't have that marketing engine. They didn't have that stellar reputation. They built that from nothing with a single generation of products.

Today, Apple occupies a special place in the market that very few players could approach. In 2000? That market was wide open for anybody who could get their crap together and do the same things Apple did - well-designed products with a good marketing campaign. The PC industry was only just starting to abandon the ugly beige metal boxes.


Now, 14 years later, we have ugly black boxes.


The iPod was demonstrably and objectively superior to its early competitors in an important way: you could navigate to your songs more quickly and easily.


I thought the same until I found out Natalie Portman was onboard with a Hot Grits Trove.


That's still a thing on Slashdot? Jesus, even Reddit memes die more quickly than that.


To go full snark, surely you'd need to append:

"from the well-thats-not-very-exciting dept."


I far prefer this quote:

FireWire (400Mbps) data syncing _and_ recharging at the same time. That's cool.

I wonder if it's hackable for a bigger drive...

Plus, you can use it as a portable disk. No "content protection". Yay!


Another iPod release thread that's very funny in hindsight is this one on the Mac Rumors forums: http://forums.macrumors.com/showthread.php?t=500


I'm going to go ahead and say the obvious asshole comment:

I thought when he retired from Slashdot it was because he wanted to do something different.


Ok, I'm not sure if I still can do this. Let's try:

In Soviet Russia, Slashdot retires you?


I, for one, welcome our new pensioned overlords.


If only HN had numeric user IDs... We could have another low user id contest!


Ha! Your account was created just 21 days ago!


Hi.


Are they covered in hot grits and naked and petrified?


Read the privacy policy first: http://info.trove.com/policies

One of the sad facts: "We do not honor Do Not Track requests."


Maybe I'm missing something, but how is this different than Flipboard?

It looks like it allows me to browse articles shared by friends and experts I choose to follow, exactly like Twitter + Flipboard.


My thoughts exactly. Seems a lot like Flipboard.


This looks nice, but I'm not sure the solution to the overwhelming amount of content out there is more curation. I can't see myself having the time to build the perfect set of "troves".

Instead, I'd like to see more automated filtering of the many streams I already have. I think Summify was on the right track here (before they were acquired).


I couldn't agree more. The curated internet is a terrible trend -- it encourages mindless, constant, and immediate consumption and discourages exploration (except safely between the lines of your preferred content aggregator).


I agree. What things or kinds of things go against this trend?


I wish I had more examples, but all I can really think of is the fact that sites still offer RSS feeds for reading articles.


Yeah, it's hard to come up with good examples. RSS itself isn't even a great exploration mechanism for finding stuff outside of a single site.

Thinking back to the good old days, my main forms of discovery were IRC, Usenet (with its underlying structure it made it easy to dig into weird/different niches at will)...

A few things were consistent about these mechanisms: Each one allowed you to start in a specific niche/community, explore outside of it and become entrenched in wider/more diverse communities/interests.

They had some basic structure (channels on IRC, top level groups on Usenet), some form of curation/moderation (channel operators, news server admins who could white/blacklist content, rules/guidelines about cross-posting, some proactive moves against spam/off topic trolling), but ultimately were "open."

Anyone could get their foot in with some basic software, anyone could add their voice, and engage either with a group of people or one-on-one.


Oh, sorry -- I thought you were talking about ways to subscribe to stories/articles, rather than forms of discovery.

These days, about 70% of my exploration online starts at HN. There's a bit from Kottke and Coudal, a couple of Twitter feeds, and various music labels (Stone's Throw, Mad Decent).

Is Delicious the answer? It's got tags for bookmarks _and_ discovery -- there go two of the HN front page stories from this past week. Remap Ctrl-D in Chrome, and I don't think you'll find a better, more open solution for the Web out there.


I may be dense, but this does seem like a slow follower to Prismatic and co. It's interesting in a way: kind of pretty, but it doesn't seem like it's going to change my world.

Of course, I half expect to be proven wrong because I've now voiced my doubts.


Heard about this the other day, gave it a try, didn't see any value in it.

Most importantly, as far as I can tell, there's no way to share an arbitrary link. If you create a new trove it's a requirement to specify an existing trove as a source - your "picks" from the source troves comprise the newly created trove.

Therefore, users can't share and curate so much as sift and sort what the editors have already deemed worthwhile. Apparently, the only recourse for seeing specific content added is sending an email [0].

0: http://info.trove.com/faq#sources


Two things. One, the title is a little misleading. Trove existed before CmdrTaco joined WaPo. Second, when it was owned by WaPo it had a nifty API. I'm not sure if that's still true (the WaPo API page still exists):

http://apiportal.washingtonpost.com/api/trove


> "Trove is a digital news innovation group within Graham Holdings (formerly The Washington Post Company)."

Does this mean: Bezos bought the WaPo, the parent company rebranded, CmdrTaco works for the old owners, and thus is not affiliated with the WaPo any more?


Yes. Bezos did not buy the whole "Washington Post Company", only the parts of it related to the actual newspaper. So "Graham Holdings" is what was left that Bezos did not buy.


iOS only. No Android. There's a very tiny "or sign in on the web" link below the iOS button.


It's sad there's no Android version. I hope they build it soon.


> The best news stories picked by people who share your interests.

This will be a success only to the extent that it fosters a diversification of voices. If all it does is to create more ideological group-think news bubbles, then it's just more of the same for a culture obsessed with self-selecting their news, and hearing only the viewpoints that they already agree with.


Was "echochamber.com" already taken?


Web version needs a lot of work. It's really slow, freezes when going back and reloads all assets all the time.


It's like an early version of Slashdot!


Is Taco still hacking Perl?


Ya ever feel like all us bloggers were the miners during the 1990s blog gold rush? CmdrTaco and all of us turned out to be the miners, Matt Mullenweg and Dries Buytaert turned out to be Levi Strauss. I'm not sure if Trove and all the similar things are shovels, or just some nuggets.


Looks similar to Circa?


iOS only? Sorry. Fail.


There's a web version too. Besides which: they just launched, so have presumably just decided to support iOS first (seems sensible to me).


iOS only is the new "optimised for Internet Explorer 6".


This sounds like how I use Twitter, by following people that links to stuff I'm interested in.


well at least he's continuing the tradition of butt-ugly websites.


looks cool. hoping it's subway (no network connection) friendly!




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