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In Brazil the building of a new high speed train between São Paulo and Rio was just delayed for the third for for lack of interested companies to build the system. The estimated cost is at US$ 17B.

There are not earthquakes in Brazil and the length should be around 500km. It seems like a better candidate than SF-LA.

just saying,




California is more able to attract interested private operators because the availability of potential passengers with money to spend on fares is substantially greater.


Not sure why you think there would be more passengers on LA-SF versus SaoPaolo-Rio: Greater populations, shorter distances and lower costs ($17 vs 68 billion). Brazilians may be poorer today but they are catching up fast.

Sure there will be private contractors but is there really any private interest in building and/or operating high speed rail in CA? Perhaps Hyperloop will change things but so far it has been government led and financed.


> Not sure why you think there would be more passengers on LA-SF versus SaoPaolo-Rio

More potential passengers in the latter, more potential passenger revenue in the former.

> Brazilians may be poorer today but they are catching up fast.

Per capita GDP in Brazil is less than 1/3 of that in California, and is increasing at about 1.7%/annum (2.7% GDP growth, 0.9% population growth); assuming no growth in California GDP per capita, it would take Brazil more than 65 years to catch up.


People in Sao Paolo and Rio are about 40% richer than average Brazilians which reduces the gap somewhat. And GDP growth in Brazil has averaged 3.1% since 1991 with Sao Paolo growing faster. Costs are expected to be much lower for construction ($17 vs $68B) and probably operation. Also they expect it to take 5 years to build versus 15. Not sure how it would all shake out but does not seem to be a clearly worse project.

It's probably moot comparison anyway as best I can tell the Brazil HSR is not going to happen. There have even been giant protests over transportation and government spending.

I'm also pretty skeptical that CA HSR will actually get built - numbers don't add up and popularity is declining. If they can build and operate the Bakersfield to Fresno segment on schedule and budget it might have a chance - but I have doubts they can even do this.


Those are country averages. Go look up living costs in Rio/Sao Paulo, you're in for a surprise. Living in Europe sounds reall y attractive right now.


I thought high speed train was supposed to be cheaper than airplane. Or at least stay at the same price range.

São Paulo - Rio is actually the 3rd most busy airplane route in the world. With over 7.7M passengers in 2012. [1]

[1] http://www.amadeus.com/web/amadeus/en_US-US/Amadeus-Home/New...


Sydney-Melbourne is worth a look as well. It's the 3rd busiest air route in the world.


lots and lots of hills and farms between SP/RJ , while in California most of the highway already in place is mostly a straight flat line.




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