If you watched the video. The point is that it was something like a 2 and a half hour commute via public transport, it was much shorter while driving. It isn't a "super commute" if you are travelling less than an hour.

A commute in a car that less than an hour isn't niche.

The public transport commute was definitely a super commute, so that's the starting point.

And yeah, that's one of the things to take into account when choosing both a residence and a job.

If you don't have a direct connection (ideally) or very good transfers, yeah, it's going to get ugly quick.

I found a comment on Youtube particularly poignant for this type of problem:

> I worked 7 miles away in Redditch for 18 years, for my sins. The 16 minute journey by car took 45 minutes at rush hour, so I experimented with buses which took an hour and a half, needed two separate tickets from different bus companies, and didn't allow me to do any overtime. I took up cycling and once fit the journey only took 24 minutes.

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Which leads back to my original point: let's all campaign for better public transportion infrastructure, for more dedicated bus lanes, for more bike lanes, for more walkable neighbourhoods, for less car-only infrastructure. Let's give people more options.

Because while there are tons of anecdotes against public transportation, for example, the numbers reveal that it's badly needed and used by millions and millions of people wherever it's available and the coverage and frequency aren't completely unusable. So demand for public transportation is there.

Cars should be there to "plug" the gaps where public transportation, cycling, walking are not valid options. Not be the default as they are in many places.

Let's optimize for 80% of the population first.

Oh, nice side effect: once all those sardines are neatly packed in buses, trams and trains (or on top of bikes) they're no longer on roads so people who do have to use cars have much faster and relaxed commutes.

It seems you really didn't understand the point of the video.

I didn't watch it as it seemed fairly long.

Now I have watched it and he basically says the same thing as me.

A lot of people have to use cars because they have no other option. Yes, let's fix that for them as best we can.

As he puts it, that also leaves more room on the road for the people with the vintage Mustangs.

Right. So you didn't watch it and instead cherry picked the comments. You missed a key thing in the video. It isn't really any cheaper using public transport. BTW my experience was roughly the same as in the video but replace buses with trains.

One of the key reasons I learned to drive was because trains, buses and taxis are expensive and mile per mile more expensive than using the car. Even flying in some circumstances is more expensive and longer than driving (short domestic UK flights).

The issue with public transport is that it doesn't go quite go where, when you want and nothing is going to fix that.

No amount of campaigning is going to change anything. Near where I live there is two roads closed. It been this way for almost three years now. If the council can't fix one road in three years, how are they ever going to sort out more complex issues.

So you have something that isn't cheaper, doesn't quite do what you want and generally is less pleasant than using a car, you aren't going to want to use it.

Yet plenty of people use it.

In many cases public transportation works.

In many cases it doesn't.

Do whatever works best for your personal situation but always demand options because you never know when you'll need them.

You are deflecting from the original point, while saying nothing.

It simply doesn't work for a lot of people and never will and you were trying to pretend these are niche things when they are not.

People generally don't like public transport. You have to be in a confined space with strangers, that in any other circumstance you would probably never see.

I ended up cycling through wet, snow, extreme cold because I got fed up of dealing with buses and trains after a week. When I had to travel by train it was because cycling wasn't feasible and I had no other choice. It was miserable. Everyday there seemed to be delays and that is 2 hours a day for a year I will never get back.

Saying use what you think is best basically equates to "I am going to drive" for the vast majority.

Can you like, get lost?

https://news.ycombinator.com/threads?id=WackyFighter

https://news.ycombinator.com/threads?id=WreckVenom

Stop creating sock puppet accounts to push your agenda, please.

> Stop creating sock puppet accounts to push your agenda, please.

I don't keep logins for this site. I don't really care about have a consistent presence here. I don't have any sock puppet accounts.

If I was pushing an agenda would that be then? That I don't agree with you?

I am a long time cyclist that doesn't like transport activists because I've had to personally deal with them and I don't trust them. In many cases their livelihood is tied to their activism and I've heard your statements 100 times before. You are just parroting stuff that I've heard before.

I am trying to talk to you as someone that realised that most of it is crap.

I recently visited my parents. They live in a "Large Conurbation", which means (for all intents and purposes) it isn't official a city but is large enough to be one. Over the last year I've seen new bike lanes installed at what would be significant cost.

All they've done is made driving more difficult, the number of cyclists hasn't increased. I didn't see a single cyclist on these new lanes. I visit my parents once every 2 months and the winters are quite mild by UK standards. So it isn't a seasonal thing where people aren't using the lanes because it is cold. They just aren't using them.

So I've seen first hand that what you are suggesting doesn't actually work. This is in possibly one of the best areas to do this in the UK outside of Major cities and it doesn't work.