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HBO is destination television - it's the taste that Netflix lacks and so desperately needs.

WB and HBO together have the franchises that Netflix has been trying to build. DC, Harry Potter, Game of Thrones, Lord of the Rings (film + game rights - tv rights), West World, The Matrix, Mad Max, King Kong, all of Cartoon Network and Adult Swim.

What does Paramount or Hulu have? It's a lot of fluff on the same or even lower caliber than Netflix.

Amazon gives some good stuff away for "free". Apple has good shows, too.

Disney? Meh - they've got Andor and that's really it.

If whomever buys HBO also also buys A24, it's over. That's all I need.





Westworld... the show you can't watch on HBO anymore. Taste? Like what they just did to one of the best shows ever, Mad Men? HBO today (Or Max, or HBO Max, or whatever their branding of the day is) is not the HBO it was before David Zaslav got his hands on it.

Paramount/NBC/Peacock/Fox/ESPN have live sports, which are the only thing left worth paying for, everything else can be skipped or pirated.

ESPN comes with your Disney+ which also gives you Hulu

Peacock says they have sports, but then doesn't actually show all of the matches and instead tries to prop up USA and Telemundo numbers. Many times I have to watch a match in a language I'm not fluent even though I'm paying for Peacock specifically as they have the rights. Can't watch USA as I cut the cord years ago, so I'm left with hoping I can find the right spot for my OTA antenna to be able to tune in.


If anything, the gambling ads interspersed with sports can be skipped or pirated.

Westworld, the show that dont exist because they would had to pay royalties to actors and workers?

Screw them. Likr, literally choosing to remove the show to make an example of it.


> What does Paramount or Hulu have?

Even less now that Taylor Sheridan has left for greener pastures.


Sheridan is staying with Paramount until 2029, and the shows he made for them will remain theirs. So, Sheridan will be still be elevating paramount subscriptions long into the future.

> Disney? Meh - they've got Andor and that's really it.

I like this post about how The Matrix, Lord of the Rings, Mad Max and Harry Potter are all valuable IP written by somebody that appears to have never heard of Marvel comics, Star Wars, Indiana Jones, The Simpsons, any Pixar film, Avatar, The X-Files, or The Bachelor.


Paramount has Star Trek, so it's a must-have for any Trekkie. And Disney has Star Wars, so it's a must-have for any nerf herder. :p

Nu trek definitely isn't must have for any Trekkie.

> Disney? Meh - they've got Andor and that's really it.

Disney owns so much content, IP and nostalgia that they don't care much.


Pretty sure their shareholders care. Their market cap is at pre 2019 levels. Their earnings are back to 2014 levels.

https://companiesmarketcap.com/walt-disney/earnings/

Meanwhile, Netflix is up $300B since 2019. And Netflix’s earnings are about to surpass Disney’s:

https://companiesmarketcap.com/netflix/earnings/

And Netflix has 13,000 employees, while Disney has 233,000.


> And Netflix has 13,000 employees, while Disney has 233,000.

And Disney is significantly more than just a single streaming service struggling to get content.

Their Direct-to-Consumer business (aka Netflix equivalent) posted a net profit increase 9.5x year on year (from 143 million to 1.3 billion) and has more than half the number of Netflix subscribers (196 million vs. 300+ million) in significantly shorter time than Netflix. https://thewaltdisneycompany.com/the-walt-disney-company-rep...


Operating profit, not net profit. Net income (or profit or earnings) can only be calculated for the whole business.

> has more than half the number of Netflix subscribers (196 million vs. 300+ million) in significantly shorter time than Netflix.

I don’t find this impressive. Streaming has been the future for over a decade, and Disney has long had more, and more popular content than Netflix. So why is it taking them so long to catch up to Netflix? They should have surpassed Netflix a long time ago.

Disney even sells sports.


> Streaming has been the future for over a decade, and Disney has long had more, and more popular content than Netflix. So why is it taking them so long to catch up to Netflix?

Netflix started streaming 18 years ago. Disney+ appeared 6 years ago, and Disney didn't acquire Hulu (as part of 20th Century Fox) until 2019. Also, Disney+ appeared in the era of multiple streaming services, and IIRC didn't pull their content from Netflix until sometime after they launched Disney+. Netflix also didn't lose content from other big content distributors like WB until later.

To compare: in near-absence of any competition it took Netflix until 2021 (10 years) to reach 200 million subscribers. There's Hulu that was launched in 2007, but they were nearly absent outside of the US.

So Disney has streaming competition on all fronts, has gone through price increases etc., and still grows their streaming service.

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Netflix buying WB is not really a desperation move, but it is a question of survival. Netflix has very little content of its own, and has trouble licensing relevant content from studios that are now its direct rivals: Disney, WB, Paramount etc.

They were all happily presented on Netflix, and then pulled nearly all their content to launch their own streaming platforms.

Netflix has survived by dumping enormous amounts of money into producing their own content, and licensing foreign content. But that is clearly not enough to maintain momentum, or to keep subscribers interested in the service. With WB they get their hands on a lot of IP that they can inject back into the service.


Netflix could have built many franchises by now but instead burns them all in season 1 or season 2 and makes slop on purpose (i.e. explain what you are doing while you are doing it for the people not watching directly, etc). They also just had the most successful franchise launch of all time -- Kpop demon hunters. The brand is apparently worth about 10 billion right now, and they bought the film and the rights from Sony for <20 million.

If they purchase HBO, I assume HBO will regress to the baseline that is Netflix content, not the other way around.




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