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Citations? I’m not aware of this strong a conclusion. In fact, my understanding is that generally wages go up.




Doing my own research, ChatGPT summarizes the state as generally unions improve wages and working conditions for employees much more than they pay in premiums. This has gone down since the 1970s but is still a noticeable effect. Indeed the 40 hour work week comes from unions. There is a negative effect on profitability, but that’s subject to interpretation:

> The negative effect on profitability from unionization may reflect that unions raise labour costs (via higher wages/benefits) and may impose work rules or other constraints that reduce flexibility. The classic model: higher labour cost → lower margins, unless offset by higher productivity or price increases. But the productivity and growth effects are less clear: many studies find little or no negative effect on productivity or capital structure, suggesting that unions may shift the distribution of returns (towards workers) rather than clearly kill growth.

So it may be worth revisiting the research you cited so decisively against unions as it likely contradicts your belief about them.


>Doing my own research, ChatGPT summarizes...

One of these things is not like the other.


No but one step further than OP went making unsubstantiated claims that actually contradicts the actual research that paints a much more complicated picture.

>... the actual research that paints a much more complicated picture.

Given that ChatGPT is still very much in a "trust, but verify" state (on a daily basis it confidently states falsehoods about subject matter I'm highly familiar with, for instance), I'm wondering if you followed up to confirm that the data at the sources provided by ChatGPT accurately reflected what it told you.

If you're going to insist that others revisit their research, I would hope that you're making a good faith effort towards doing the same.


I did actually check some of the sources and they seemed solid.

I believe you replied to the wrong comment



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