Is your contention that the only anti-gun countries are, er, the UK and Singapore?
And to be honest, the UK surveillance thing is somewhat exaggerated; it's highly London-centric, and they're mostly privately-owned cameras; the main driving factor is the insurance industry.
Ireland, say, has some of the strictest gun laws in the developed world, and doesn't have a large number of CCTVs or other forms of surveillance.
"And to be honest, the UK surveillance thing is somewhat exaggerated; it's highly London-centric, and they're mostly privately-owned cameras; the main driving factor is the insurance industry."
The big cities is where the most crime happens. It's not really 'exaggerated'. If you legally aren't allowed to protect yourself during a crime, it's best to have a camera in place that catches the person that's doing it (and put fear in others, so the situation is avoided).
"Ireland, say, has some of the strictest gun laws in the developed world, and doesn't have a large number of CCTVs or other forms of surveillance."
I mentioned London, specifically, not big cities in general. London's crime rate is pretty much the same as England's as a whole, and many English towns and cities have much higher crime rates.
> This isn't true at all.
In what way? The only place on the island of Ireland which appears at all in the lists of heavily CCTV'd countries is Belfast, which is in Northern Ireland (part of the UK, not Ireland). Dublin (a much larger city) does not feature. Irish gun laws are generally stricter than British gun laws; in particular being allowed to have a gun for self-protection is simply not, in practice, a thing.
As far as I can see, the evidence for high surveillance in western countries being, essentially, a regional insurance company fetish far outweighs evidence that it is linked to _gun availability_.
Not true. Until a couple of decades ago, there was very little surveillance of Western European, and if citizens thought about guns at all, antipathy would have been the dominant attitude. Nevertheless, there was very little “bad behaviour” since the Second World War ended.
You can google it yourself: "does ireland have surveillance cameras"
"Where you'll find surveillance cameras:
Public Transport: Cameras are installed on Luas trams and at major train and bus stations.
Public Buildings: The Office of Public Works (OPW) uses security cameras in public buildings.
Streets and Cities: An Garda Síochána has a network of cameras, and community groups and businesses also request and install them in their towns and cities.
Private Businesses: CCTV systems are prevalent in banks, casinos, pubs, shopping centers, and large department stores.
Private Homes: Many homeowners use security cameras for protection, with potential eligibility for insurance discounts"
Have you even been to Ireland? Because it sure looks like they have camera systems everywhere.
It seems nobody wants to actually reduce crime here. You want:
