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[flagged] Florida’s attorney general targets a restaurant over an LGBTQ Pride event (eff.org)
84 points by voxadam 40 days ago | hide | past | favorite | 26 comments


I'm in FL and now want to go to a drag show.


FL has had excellent drag shows for 30-40 years and nobody gave a shit until a few party poopers pulled their heads out of their asses and decided to do some event searches. It's non-explicit adult entertainment usually for a mixed crowd, all laughing their asses off and cheering on the entertainment. Florida has more than enough titty bars, prostitutes and international sex trafficking rings to keep a Southern Baptist pastor happy but somehow men dressed like women singing popular music is too crazy.


Austin TX near downtown on the east side has an outdoor bar around 5th st. that regularly holds drag shows.


>decided to do some event searches

And found what?


As per the article it sounds like they found performers where risque (but not obscene) outfits


Sounds like grey area. Maybe best to keep kids away?


It's adult entertainment but there's no nudity or explicit imagery. Some parents feel comfortable taking their kids, other's don't in the same way that some parents feel comfortable taking their kids to concerts or R rated movies.


Ah right… so… absolutely no reason to take kids to. GOT IT.


Kids dress in drag when exploring comedy, theater, themselves... You might have a kid that's really into drag for any number of reasons and you might love them enough to want them to be the best version of themselves without imposing psychological trauma or making them feel like they need to hide parts of themselves from you. You still need to be a good parent, whatever that means to you but most parent don't want to limit their kids potential with distracting hang-ups. So I wouldn't say "absolutely no reason".

In typical DeSantis fashion, he's not signing any laws limiting this entertainment to "adults only" restricting access to anyone under the age of 18. And he's not passing laws to ban all drag shows across the state. This is political theater, in the same way that his two year presidential "grooming in schools" campaign resulted in zero arrests of teachers or librarians and the removal of completely unrelated books. And lets not forget that the panel to remove books was lead by a political opportunist that was later implicated in a sex scandal that included allegations of rape.


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If your concern is truly with the children and protecting them from sexual abuse then you should focus your attention on people with conservative viewpoints.

Here is a growing list of USA Republican Sexual Predators, Abusers, and Enablers:

https://www.dailykos.com/history/user/CajsaLilliehook

Or simply search for "still not a drag queen".

https://www.google.com/search?q=site:lemmy.world+still+not+a...

Google's AI Overview:

> site:lemmy.world still not a drag queen The phrase "Still not a drag queen" appears frequently on the Lemmy.world platform. This phrase is often used as a comment on posts discussing arrests, scandals, or accusations, particularly involving individuals who are not drag queens or transgender people. Some users might be employing this phrase to highlight the perceived hypocrisy of focusing on drag queens or transgender individuals in relation to such incidents, while ignoring those in more traditionally respected positions. The phrase seems to be a reaction to the public discourse surrounding drag and transgender people, where they are often wrongly associated with such incidents in media narratives or political rhetoric.


One does not justify a wrong by another wrong. It’s a classic sophism.

I do not live in the US but did see some truly shocking and illegal behaviors at gay prides and drag themed events.

So I’m just waiting to get more information.

So my point is to trust the law. I don’t see how controversial it can be.


I guess you don't want kids to go to the beach either, where the standard attire is even more "revealing" ?


There’s a difference between inappropriate and illegal.

Inappropriate is subjective. Illegal is objective.

You are allowed to not take your own kids to whatever.


Many conservatives who target drag shows believe drag and cross dressing are inherently sexual or inappropriate for children so I think skepticism is warranted.

The TCPalm spoke to some attendees [0] who said the bar does ensure minors are not present for the adult-only shows, which take place later in the evening.

[0]: https://archive.ph/g4nIq


It's too late to edit my comment, but to clarify, I meant skepticism of these comments by the attorney general, not of the restaurant that hosted the show.


This is a nationwide phenomena. Many articles have been written on it.

My own small town on the edge of the Chicago suburbs has a group of zealots that protest drag shows all over the suburban area (always small towns on the edge of the burbs, never major towns).

All of these arguments listed in this thread and articles about the right wing losing their shit about drag shows have been trotted out by these folks at the local city council meetings.

This is not just silly, these folks are dangerous. Nobody seems to appreciate it yet. But when these protests and city council meeting nuisances started, so did vandalism of places hosting these events. Then came the bomb threats to all the local libraries which hosted drag story hour. You can probably imagine how this may escalate.


Lmao you actually believe this shit? A gay man in a tank top is "sexualized attire" according to Ron Desantus.


Combine this with the recent executive order to institutionize people with mental issues. Do not forget that the first people to be locked up in concentration camps in nazi Germany included communists, socialists, mentaly ill, homeless, and criminals.


Homosexuals too.


And don't forget that the Allies, who were just as homophobic as the Nazis and not much less antisemitic, didn't liberate homosexuals from prisons or concentration camps. They weren't recognized as victims of unjust oppression but criminals who got what they deserved.


I'm not sure the point here. Is this a some counter-argument to the thesis that this is a bad thing?


First they came for the transgender juvenile athletes

And I did not speak out

Because I was not a transgender juvenile athlete (and there are probably only 100 in the whole country)

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Then they came for the unofficial migrants (the paperwork is a civil federal matter)

And I did not speak out

Because I was not an unofficial migrant

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Then they came for the unhoused Americans

And I did not speak out

Because I was not a currently unhoused American, a person camping on BLM land, or a person camping in their back yard for more than 7 days per year where it is now illegal

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Then they came for me

And there was no one left

To speak out for me


* Transgender women juvenile athletes not being able to play with cisgender women (this issue doesn't even have a consensus one way or the other; the opinion roughly a 50/50 split afaik)

* Immigrants breaking established laws (that you may or may not agree with, again a 50/50 split)

* I have no idea what you're talking about the last one, feel free to link some articles for me to read

Are you really comparing the above to the treatment of minorities during the Halocaust, e.g. round up and murdered en masse?

Does what's happening today even look remotely close to some of the evil things the US has done in the past, e.g. Japenese internment, displacement of Native Americans, slavery, etc.

I don't agree with what's going on, and I do see potential for it to become worse, but comparing it to actual crimes against humanity seems like a stretch



> Federal agents take an hour and a half, almost two, trying to figure out who I am

Absolutely terrible that this happened, but how in the world are you comparing this to rounding up people based on race/other traits and systemically killing them?

> “The individual with the same first, middle and last name bears a striking resemblance to the individual temporarily taken into custody by mistake.”

> Insisting that he looked like a violent criminal on their wanted list

> Shave your beard off so we won't mistake you again

stupid comment from the agent, but it sounds like they were explaining how they mixed the victim up with a criminal


The quote implies not genocide but the mere act of silencing, if you read his past you know he strongly supported nazism, but challenged it only when it affected him which by that point it was too late they had absolute power.

Since the point is the escalation to have no hurdles.




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