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> I assume one uses tools others build in either case

And there is the disconnect. For a terminal app, you often don't need to.

> I find a canvas or a graphical game engine (which implement fonts and so on) hinders me less in building the sorts of tools I care about building. A terminal feels like more of a hindrance.

And for me it's the opposite. The tools I build mostly works on text. A terminal provides enough that I usually don't need any extra dependencies.




The disconnect might be that I'm counting the weight of the terminal program itself. I think this makes for a more fair comparison. The terminal program is built by others, it often uses many of the same libraries for pixel graphics and font rendering.


I find this thinking bizarre. What matters is the simplicity of the API my code has to talk to.

You'd have a better argument if most people built their own terminals, like I have (mine is only ~2k lines of code, however), as then there'd be a reasonable argument you're writing that code anyway. But most people don't.

Even then I'd consider it fairly specious, because the terminal code is a one off cost to give every TUI application a simple, minimal API that also gives me the ability to display their UI on every computer system built in at least the last half a century.

I write plenty of code that requires more complex UI's too, and don't try to force those into a terminal, but I also would never consider building a more complex UI for an app that can be easily accommodated in a terminal.


It's unfortunate to see that this thread ended up in ego defense and head-butting rather than the thoughtful exploration it started in.


I guess I'll stop here then.




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