Let's not pluck numbers out of thin air.

https://benchmarksgame-team.pages.debian.net/benchmarksgame/...

iirc these benchmarks have such short runtimes that they are not useful for assessing real-world java jit performance

Is that a True Scotsman exclusion?

> iirc

    49.88—55.68 secs wall clock
    7.66
    5.51
    27.85—27.91
    83.79—87.16 
    10.94—11.09

How long a runtime would be required exactly, on what class-of hardware, to pass the True Scotsman?

Please provide alternative benchmarks that you accept.

I have heard around 50x, which is about the same as between assembly and BASIC on 8-bit systems.

We could measure programs.

https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=44022366