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You ever watch a plant filmed in time lapse? They're active just like animals. They feel and communicate and are our relatives just the same. Everything on this planet eats a living cousin, save for the photo and chemosynthesizers. Such is life. The similarity of our proteins and other molecules is exactly what makes us nutritious to each other. I sleep just fine. The backyard garden is fruitful. The chimkins are happy and laying eggs. Thankful for the opportunity to enjoy it!


Please stop lying to yourself. You know damn well eating a plant and an animal are completely different things.

You wouldn’t be saying these things if the aliens came and harvested your children for food.


Not to me they aren't.

I once watched a film of a persistence hunter approaching the prey he'd chased for miles. He spoke to it, approached it calmly, sat with it and caressed it, put it's head on his lap and held it for a minute, petting it like a dog and shushing and whispering to it. And then he cut it's throat, and cried as it died.

That's what living on the farm is like. That's real life, fully and authentically felt. In my opinion, all the living things I eat deserve such respect and reverence for furthering my life.

You can feel differently. Lots of folks do.

> You wouldn’t be saying these things if the aliens came and harvested your children for food.

What if the aliens look like plants? What if they're here already? What if they're your distant cousin?

Funny thing - when you look at single celled organisms like bacteria and yeasts under a microscope, they engage in behaviors which seem shockingly like animal behaviors. They seem to explore their environment, have senses, hunt and eat, reproduce, and notably, they seem to dislike specific stimuli. They really meet every definition I can think of for a being which appears to be conscious, including memory, and we eat them by the billions without even knowing.


You can take the panpsychic view if you want (with no actual evidence), but it doesn't change the fact that we know non human animals suffer. Countlessly exploiting their entire population, for what?

> all the living things I eat deserve such respect and reverence

How does that help them when you're consuming their flesh without consent? Let's all fornicate with these animals, just make sure to show respect after!

I can kinda understand how factory farming is the bad bit as opposed to a traditional farming, but you have to stop and think, who are we to decide these other beings lives?


OK, now apply what you just said to plants and fungi and single celled organisms.

Get yourself out of your human-centric, mammal-centric, animal-centric point of view and realize that at the cellular level we're effectively indistinguishable. We can't even talk to Dolphins, who we know are intelligent, and you expect me to discount the intelligence of every other living thing? Laughable. We're all made of the same stuff, all the way down, and humans aren't exceptional.

Check out https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Plant_perception_(physiology) Your chief take-away should be that plants know when they're being eaten, and take actions to defend themselves.

The necessity of death in order to further life is why every religion has thankfulness rituals around meals.

These aren't new thoughts, or thoughts unique to me. Look into https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jainism

> who are we to decide these other beings lives?

Some folks, who've asked that question, decided they didn't have the right, and aren't available to talk to any more. ¯\_(ツ)_/¯




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