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Do you consider Trump as regular right wing? Or more extreme? Do you think the deportations of "illegals" happening at the moment are justified? What about deportations on legals non-white people?

The main reason for the classification seems to be their worldview based on "Blood" and what they consider as a "True German", and how they want to deport (or worse) anyone who does not match this view. Their plans are similar to what is happening under Trump now, but some steps further.

And lets not talk about all the other s** around culture and science. But these are not illegal.



Trump is complicated. He doesn't neatly fit into the boxes that our politicians usually fit in. He's neither fully right nor fully left. As I have said elsewhere, I think the left versus right wing distinction is no longer suitable for talking about the current political climate. The traditional politicians from both parties despise him. The Republican rank and file have only accepted him because of his massive popularity. For example, his stimulus checks are definitely a left-wing idea. If I had to label him I would say that he is a right-wing populist.

I'm not sure why you scare quoted illegals. I refuse to use the Orwellian Newspeak that is "undocumented." They have "documents." Just not ones that give them any right to legally be in our country, hence why illegal is the correct term.

The Biden administration encouraged mass illegal immigration into our country on unprecedented scale and it has resulted in a lot of very serious problems, so yes extreme deportation measures are absolutely justified. There are several cases of people who have been violently assaulted or even murdered by violent gang members and criminals who came here illegally. There are people who have suffered horrifically for this and people who would still be alive today if our immigration laws had been properly enforced. Even many of the illegal immigrants themselves are suffering as victims of sex trafficking, poverty wages, indentured servitude, or dying of heat exhaustion in false panels of vehicles that are smuggling them into the country packed like sardines.

Adding to that, they are a costly strain upon our infrastructure and social support systems. Car insurance premiums rose due to the massive rise in uninsured motorists. They have exacerbated already sky high housing costs because they need to live somewhere. When they get sick they go to the emergency room because they lack health insurance. Some of you will say, well that's why you should just have socialized medicine, but it ignores the point that we do not have socialized medicine, which means that someone has to foot the bill for their ER visits for non-emergency medical care. Many of them turn to crime because their opportunities for legal employment are non-existent. They are also a burden on our already struggling public education system, particularly since so many of them do not speak fluent English. They also depress wages. There is a myth that they perform jobs that Americans don't want to do. The truth is that they perform jobs for cheaper than Americans are willing to do them.


I'll bite, on chance this is a product of the media streams you've been watching instead of innate racism.

> There are several cases of people who have been violently assaulted or even murdered by violent gang members and criminals who came here illegally.

There are also many times the number of cases of illegal immigrants living normal, productive lives and contributing to their communities, if we're going to tie the things we mention to statistical reality.

> they are a costly strain upon our infrastructure and social support systems.

They power the bulk of American construction, agricultural, service, and landscaping industries.

> They have exacerbated already sky high housing costs because they need to live somewhere.

Illegal immigration is a drop in the bucket compared to private equity snapping up homes and rent price-fixing via RealPage et al.

> When they get sick they go to the emergency room because they lack health insurance.

As do many US citizen, thankfully all protected by EMTALA. https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Emergency_Medical_Treatment_...

> Many of them turn to crime because their opportunities for legal employment are non-existent.

I'm guessing you haven't worked too many blue collar jobs in your life...? I.e. kitchen, construction, or landscaping?

> They are also a burden on our already struggling public education system, particularly since so many of them do not speak fluent English.

Or, having to go through hell to get here, they're more motivated than their citizen by birth peers.

> They also depress wages.

You just said above they can't find jobs. Which is it? They're getting too few jobs or too many?

> There is a myth that they perform jobs that Americans don't want to do. The truth is that they perform jobs for cheaper than Americans are willing to do them.

You really don't seem like you've ever talked to a farmer. Ask one about hiring hardworking labor sometime?


> neither fully right nor fully left.

There's a reason why fascists and Nazis broadly refer to themselves as the "third position".


What is the reason?


Because their ideology translates to a mix of traditionally left and traditionally right policies. Broadly speaking, it tends to be extreme right culturally and center-left economically.

Nazi Germany, for example, had quite a few explicitly socialist programs such as https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Strength_Through_Joy.


Can you be more specific about the quote you used before?

Why do they call themselves "the third position"?

Just doing follow-ups to try to understand you.


I'm sorry, but I'm not going to give a TL;DR lecture on history when there are good sources for that.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Third_Position


What you said sounded like a bold claim. I just wanted to understand if you understand the implications of applying that label. I wanted to know if you understand the reason.

I'm not gonna blindly fight based on a vague idea that history is repeating itself. Or should I? (rethorical).

You seem like a very educated person with broad historical knowledge. Why use cheap accusations to put your ideas forward? (rethorical).


What is the bold claim? That fascists refer to themselves as "third position"? That's literally textbook history. Or that modern-day GOP, now fully taken over by the Christian nationalist wing, is also a "third position" party, and that is why their de facto platform (as evidenced by what they're literally doing right now) is the way it is? That's a simple observation.


Nothing. Forget about it.


Thank you for that link. This was news to me and now I have a whole host of books to catch up on.




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