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Who's going to bother to invest in American manufacturing when the tariff "strategy" changes daily?

How many times will the tariffs shift between Lutnick's comments here and 1 month from now?

Uncertainty does not encourage investment. So, we probably shouldn't believe them when they say that's why they're doing this.




This is not about investment, it's about extortion. Bend the knee, or be destroyed. No US business sector can exist without foreign imports. It's a perfect lever to extract fealty from the corporate sector. They sell tariffs as all sort of things to different groups, sometimes out right lies (it's a tax on foreigners). But in the end it's only about control and power.


The president of my country thinks global finance is the same thing as hiring contractors in New York City. Which he was also bad at.



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This is the key point. It’s uncertainty which spooks the markets and investor confidence.


Are there any decent alternatives? At what point does transparent securities fraud generally lead to capital flight?


There's tons of global markets to invest in, not just US, and of course other US investment instruments other than stocks if you feel those are more investable in current climate.

There has already been capital flight. Trump's (temporary?) U-turn on tariffs was due to a massive sell-off in US Treasuries, largely by the Japanese, which caused yields to jump.


Was that a actual selloff, or an unwinding of the basis trade leading to a selloff?


I don't know - I'd initially seen it discussed without mention of that, but now I see there's talk of two different basis trades ...

https://www.morningstar.com/news/marketwatch/20250412232/how...

The US would certainly be in trouble if the perception of instability reduces the appetite for US debt, or if holders choose to weaponize it.


Most of the world has an unstable government that does stuff like this every decade or two at least. If the US is going to be just as bad, everywhere is an alternative, although none of them will be as good as the US was.


... I mean this is the sort of thing that _developing world_ countries do, sure, but it's not at all the norm for a developed economy.


I would say that most of the world falls into that category.


The USA is back to being a monarchy, after a 235 year run as a democracy (or 60 years[0], if you want the real experience of 20 million people at the time): everything depends on the mad king's decrees, and no one can rein him in.

[0] https://archive.is/mkJIi


its what the techbros voted for


> Who's going to bother to invest in American manufacturing when the tariff "strategy" changes daily?

Isn't that the point? If things are so unstable, you avoid the instability by manufacturing domestically.


No, what if the tariffs go away before you are done building your widget factory. Now you have widgets that are too expensive to sell to anyone.

If they want anyone to believe that the tariffs will remain in effect long enough to make a profit, they will need to pass a bill. Ideally, a bill that ratchets tariffs up over a long enough period of time to actually build the capacity in the US of the thing you want to tariff.


Still not sure a bill will give you that stability, since Trump has used loopholes to sidestep ratified trade agreements that he himself negotiated. Anything signed by this President isn't worth the paper it's printed on.


A bill wouldn't provide any security. It'd just be repealed as soon as the economic stagnation set in. If you wanted to build a factory through socialist policy, the only way to do it would be to cover the capital costs with direct investment by the treasury.


The tariffs hit domestic manufacturers harder than imports, so no?

If manufacturers move overseas, they (so far) get to compete for US business on a level playing field, and (in some alternate countries) can make planning decisions that assume due process exists and the law will be upheld. In the worst case, they can sell everywhere but the US.

If they move to the US, the cost of their inputs varies 100% week over week, and 2/3rds of their highly skilled factory workers are subject to random imprisonment.

Also, the president will use market manipulation and insider trading schemes to raid their capital reserves, then brag about it on video.


But then you risk tariff policy changing, and suddenly you're undercut by foreign factories again, and you lose all your investment in the American factory. It still needs certainty that the tariffs are staying.

The uncertainty only works to return manufacturing where America is cost-competitive without tariffs, and that's a tiny slice of manufacturing.


Manufacturing is extremely capital-intensive with a lead time of years. That's a huge gamble to make when policy will probably change by the time you're done and leave you manufacturing at a big loss.


No, because all your precursor components are also fluctuating massively every few days. How do you produce and price widgets when widget grease is $1 on Monday and $10 on Tuesday?

You don't. You just give up on that market.


Manufacturing doesn't just happen magically. You need factories and a trained workforce, and various infrastructure. The point is that you may not be keen to invest now in building a factory that'll be usable in a couple of years if everything is constantly changing every week.


> If things are so unstable, you avoid the instability by manufacturing domestically.

That’s not avoiding the instability, that’s suffering the full brunt of the instability. That’s completely backwards.


And then you get defrauded, and the mad king pardons the person who robbed you? Like he pardoned Justin Sun, Trevor Milton, Carlos Watson, etc?


Yeah investors love investing in unstable places /s




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