You said america worked hard to get rid of manual factory jobs and then you gave the example of China as a state that followed their neoliberal example. But China is the Earths factory and they have hundreds of millions doing manual factory work. You contradicted your own arguments. Not sure what you are asking me right now.

I specifically said China eliminated poverty, not factory jobs. Not sure where you got that from.

The neoliberal trajectory is a gradual growth from agrarian economy to a services/IP economy. Factories are a step along that way.

> Americans like our plush corporate office jobs building intellectual property. We aren't oxen doing physical labor.

> So if we aren't the oxen, who is? Vietnam? And that's morally acceptable?

> Yes. They - or other poor countries - are. And it's their responsibility to grow their citizenry in a neoliberal world.

Here you clearly state that the way for vietnam to stop being oxens is by growing in a neoloberal world. Then:

> China eliminated poverty through neoliberalism. The rest of the world can, too. This is the benefit of neoliberalism

You praise China for growing this neoliberal world, but you forgot that Chineese people are still oxens.

Oh I did not know the Chinese economy stopped growing?

This is an example of moving the goalposts.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Moving_the_goalposts

It's impossible to engage meaningfully with you if you're going to rely on argumentative fallacies and ignoring everything that is said to you.