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Fedora recently ditched VNC support in their installer for RDP. https://docs.fedoraproject.org/en-US/fedora-server/installat... (which may be a Wayland think, I just know more about Fedora than general Linux distros).

RDP seems to have taken the zeitgeist in the open source world.




It is a lot more advanced than VNC, and the open source world doesn't seem to have come up with any alternatives.


I don't quite understand what happened to SPICE. I know Red Hat deprecated it, and I can't tell if it was ever fully opensourced or not?

https://www.spice-space.org/developers.html


My theory is Wayland happened. As SPICE doesn't work that well through it. I would assume it's another case of a "niche" the Wayland protocol didn't account for, however.


Wayland. Move slow and break everything.


Interesting theory. Any idea on why SPICE wouldn't work well through it? I don't have recall running into any issues with it.

A more Wayland-oriented remote desktop protocol would probably make for an even better VNC alternative, but I don't really know why SPICE never got the uptake it deserved.


Wasn't aware SPICE was deprecated. However, I think it addresses a different use-case than RDP: SPICE is primarily designed for accessing virtual machines by connecting to their hypervisor. Thus it's designed to operate without VM guest awareness nor cooperation, going purely from a framebuffer.

This approach is fundamentally limited in terms of performance/responsiveness, as you're ultimately just trying to "guess" what's happening and apply best-effort techniques to speed things up, falling back to just using a video stream.

A proper remote desktop solution like RDP on Windows works in cooperation with the OS's GUI subsystem in a way that makes the RDP server aware of the GUI events, so it doesn't have to guess, and can offload compositing and some 2D operations directly to the client, rather than sending rendered bitmaps.

Thus it didn't catch on because it focuses on a narrow use-case nobody should be using except in emergency/break-glass situations (you should instead be remoting into the VM directly, for reasons explained above), and even for such situations, it didn't offer anything substantial over VNC, except everyone and their dog has a VNC client by now, but good luck finding a functional SPICE client for anything but Linux.


RustDesk is intended to be a TeamViewer alternative but works quite well as a simple remote desktop application:

https://github.com/rustdesk/rustdesk


I thought to have seen some negative comments about its security, anyone knowing more about it?


They installed a root certificate on windows computers that could have been used to MITM all traffic.

I personally had issues with the project years before that when I tried to install their Linux .deb and they ran `pip install` as root in the pre install script inside the .deb. That caused so much havoc to clean up I was pissed at them for years. Now that idiocy is blocked by default in current versions of pip.


Yeah it just seemed like a slightly suss project to me. I did use it initially but uninstalled it after the Chinese root certificate incident.

I wonder if anyone has forked it...


I haven't heard anything negative about it, and I can only find one CVE:

https://www.cvedetails.com/cve/CVE-2024-25140/

Personally, I'm not exposing my installations to the Internet, so I feel relatively secure regardless.


This probably has something to do with Gnome on Wayland having RDP server support as a standard feature:

https://gitlab.gnome.org/GNOME/gnome-remote-desktop


I thought RDP is highly coupled with GDI. How could it translate native wayland to GDI?


The RDP GDI messages are from RDP6, graphical messages have changed many times over in the versions of RDP that followed. Would you be surprised to learn that WSLg uses a FreeRDP server hooked to a Wayland compositor running in the Linux guest, and that the RDP client in the Windows host is MSRDC in a special RemoteApp mode? In theory someone could build a similar RDP server using IronRDP


That is one of the extensions, in theory others could be built. RemoteFX is an extension as is the (more normal today) Desktop Composition Extension.

https://learn.microsoft.com/en-us/openspecs/windows_protocol...


The Desktop Composition extension was never used in practice, check the date on the spec - the last update was in 2017. I don't know the whole story behind the scenes but the feature got pulled early.


Possibly a patent threat.


Well, I personally never had any issues with X11vnc ever since its existence. I have used it a long time ago though.




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