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It may surprise you but Russia is not winning. It has been exhausting itself for no measurable benefit, at the cost for US taxpayers of roughly a coffee per day.

Up to now, Ukraine has never received the support it would need to win, just enough not to lose. Weapons deliveries been too little, too late, making the war longer and bloodier than it needs to be. In the meantime domestic production has increased to the point Ukraine covers 30% of its needs.

Russia has lost other wars, it can and should lose this one.




How many more billions do we need to send to ensure Russia loses? Any how many more years will it take?

And what does "loss" even look like? Are you genuinely proposing they will simply pack up and head home from all captured territory?


How many billions is it worth spending to stop the new hitler from overrunning Europe? The answer naturally depends on who you ask (and how positively they view hitler).

This isn't the US's first go-round with nazis, obviously.

Back in WWII, just as now, there were capitulation proponents.

Then, just as now, they espoused the supremacy of bettering their own position over helping others.

Then, just as now, they advocated for leaving Europe to fall to invaders.

Then, just as now, they allied themselves with American fascists.

Then, just as now, they campaigned on the slogan, "America First" [0].

There's nothing new here, and personally, I'm glad hitler lost. That dude sucked.

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0: https://www.theatlantic.com/entertainment/archive/2017/01/dr...


> How many more billions do we need to send to ensure Russia loses? Any how many more years will it take?

You have to compare with how much will it cost if the war continues to grow in scale or intensity. Russia is dedicating more and more resources to its war machine. And I have no reason to think it will stop if Ukraine. In 2022 Putin already said he wanted NATO back to 1991, IOW he wants Eastern Europe defenseless.

Russia's economy is just the size of Spain or Italy: not negligible, but not formidable either. Europe should do more, much more, if only for its own sake.

> And what does "loss" even look like? Are you genuinely proposing they will simply pack up and head home from all captured territory?

Territorial issues are somewhat secondary. What matters is that the defeat is clear and Russia's leaders discouraged from attempting to go to war again. It happened to Russia against Japan in 1905, and to the USSR in Afghanistan. It can happen again.


Nobody wants the Russians to "pack up and head home"; we want them to die on the battlefield and be left there to rot.


Cheaper than US losing global dominance.


Does it sound strange to anyone that during Iraq war there were many embedded journalists covering the war. I don't see that now in Russia-Ukraine war. What could be reasons?


There are some. But my guess is that there's so few because nobody wants to pay for journalism anymore. Reporters want to get paid, especially if they're going to work in a warzone.




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