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Apple is better because they’re not competing on price which is why they can afford to bring so many things in house. That’s how they can afford the talent and other R&D resources.

We get what we pay for.



$899 (edu) or $999 is extremely competitive for what you get.

Most people buying an entry level computer these days should at least consider stretching to get a MBA than the $300-400 shovelware, they’ll get so much use out of it.

My wife is still using her 2020 M1 Air and it’s still as snappy as the day we got it, still works for all her use cases.

Incredible value.


That’s a great point, but I think that’s the result of decades of work enabled by premium pricing culminating in their custom silicon (which is itself a product of their ability to command exclusivity with TSMC nodes). The shareholders demand ever constant growth and Apple is moving down market just like everyone else (looking at you, BMW 3 series).


My wife is still using her 2020 M1 Air and it’s still as snappy as the day we got it, still works for all her use cases.

Ah! my early 2015 13" Macbook pro died only few weeks back. I don't think any other laptop will last nearly 10 years (TBF I did replace the battery and speakers for $280 in 2020 though)


I am using my HP Omen from 2016, which is still my main laptop. I gotit for 600 I think? I also upgraded Ram and SSD. The hinges on the lid broke the plastic case, and i am not replacing the dead battery, but it definitely works


Still using the T450s I got in 2015, so technically the ThinkPad won :D JK, that's a very respectable life span!


My M1 Max with 8TB is going strong 4 years in

and a pleasure to work with

I am sad that the resale value didn't hold as much as people claim Apple products do, but that’s because of the overpriced storage mostly

Looks like I can get $2500 vs the $7600 I paid for it

So rolling over into a newer maxed out model isnt so easily rationalized


Walmart is selling the 8GB M1 for $629. It presumably won’t ever get Apple Intelligence but it’s a great starter if money is tight.

I’d be tempted to buy a used machine with more RAM because I’ve had really good experiences with used electronics like laptops or phones.

BTW I have Apple Intelligence turned off but I’m not prepared to say it won’t ever be useful for anybody.


While they are still in stock, 13" M2 Macbook Air w/16GB RAM and 256GB SSD are only $799 at Best Buy & Amazon right now.


> Most people buying an entry level computer these days should at least consider stretching to get a MBA than the $300-400 shovelware, they’ll get so much use out of it.

I don't think that expecting everyone to waste 3x the money to scratch the same itch is an informed take, specially when the $300 shovelware has far better specs in terms of RAM and by far HD.

Nowadays you can even get better performing miniPCs for half the price than your MacBook Air M3, such as any of the systems packing a AMD Ryzen 7 8845HS.

I think some people look at the shiny computers and don't look past that.


> Nowadays you can even get better performing miniPCs for half the price than your MacBook Air M3

This is a stupid comparison: even a Mac mini pretty much fulfills this, since the M4 is a step up from the M3 and the actively-cooled mini can sustain higher performance than the passively-cooled MacBook Air, and at about half the price of an M3 MacBook Air.


And comparing a miniPC to a laptop is an informed take?


Like others pointed out, if we're comparing like for like, the Mac Mini is in that "mini PC" price range, and again is very competitive.


Specs don’t actually mean anything. Jobs was right. People just want their shit to work.


Pity that isn't how macOS has been lately.


vs what?




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