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the US made China it's manufacturing arm and now the US wants to take that back? Kind of late. If China invades Taiwan, the US is to blame. Talk about putting all your eggs in one basket.


> If China invades Taiwan, the US is to blame

That's completely deranged. The CCP has intended to take Taiwan from day one. Before they even managed to drive the ROC out of mainland China they intended to take all of China, including Taiwan, and their failure to take Taiwan has never been something they were satisfied with.

Manufacturing has nothing to do with it. America only has anything to do with it insofar as they have helped Taiwan resist the CCP so far.


Yeah that weird logic is all too common recently. I'll paraphrase:

The ravenous wild beast is pounding at your door. The only thing standing before you and certain death is your front door that needs urgent repairs. You call your landlord begging for help but they say it's not their problem.

The beast smashes through the door and eats you up.

Some would agree that the landlord is to blame because of inaction. Some would argue instead that the landlord is not responsible for your problem. You should have not provoked the beast. Or fixed the door yourself. Or paid more rent etc.

This framing only works of the wild beast has no agency at all. It's by definition wild and we all know what it will do and it can't help itself but being a man eating wild beast. It has no moral obligation to not be a man eating beast.

But by applying this framing to Russia and CCP you're dehumanizing them. You're assuming that they are so evil they cannot possibly have any moral obligations and so the burden falls on third parties (or worse, you, their victim!) if they attack you!


> the US made China it's (sic) manufacturing arm..

i think it's more accurate to give credit where earned: one thing the CCP did smart was _win_ foreign business (US Apple and Dell etc) by building the rentable factory system with deep dependable supply chains directly adjacent. That was uniquely able , globally, to compete and win business.

The US didn't seemingly even think to do that, perhaps distracted by the Cold War?


And China made the US its source of income. The relationship works both ways. The consumer market in China is a disaster.


Hard to have a strong consumer market with 17%+ youth unemployment.


And the reason there's 17%+ youth unemployment is because there's a weak consumer market!

This is what happens when you structure your entire economy around exports: artificially weak currency, capital controls, artificially low wages, etc.


Well also the 50%+ savings rate for a long time (down to the 30%s maybe ten years ago, then back up for awhile)

If everyone in the US saved 30-50%+ it would not go well for our consumer market either.


Absolutely.


US tariffs on China are worse for Taiwanese independence than TSMC building fabs in the US.


Pray elaborate! What is the mechanism of that, in your opinion?

(Not saying that the US policy is decent here, or anywhere else, under the current administration.)


The trade war reduces China's dependence on the US, whether through sales or holding US treasuries. This means China can invade Taiwan with less risk of economic sanctions. That said, without TSMC, and especially with the current administration, I doubt the US would step in.




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