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HN comments trying to argue that the cold war red scare was righteous is very on brand for 2025.


> red scare

You understand that a contemporary communist country had just murdered a few million of their own civilians, yes?


You know when the cold war ended the archives briefly opened up. It's not a moral case, merely a factual one.


As is the case that Trump, Musk, Vance and Thiel are Russian assets.

It’s just common sense to use Trumps own words.

Just remember that as these people drag us into a war for “peace”


The term for them is useful idiots not assets. The democrats did enormous damage to the Ukrainian cause pushing the russia hoax in 2017/18. Steele assumed there was competent intelligence analysts to analyse what he collected but instead it was politicians.


The other guy's point is that Russia is not a hoax and we'll see that when the files are opened up.


I think the complaint is with the government hearings to investigate individual citizens political views. Doesn’t seem especially aligned with the supposed values of the country.

Many of the people outed and persecuted for homosexuality were really gay. That doesn’t make it any less offensive.


It's just not even good security policy, and in some cases will do irreparable harm. These are incredibly smart and valuable people who are leaving and no longer under your sphere of influence, and where their work will now massively benefit your perceived adversary, eg China wouldn't have a nuclear program today if it weren't for the 50s episode.

It's cutting off your nose, face, and brain just to get a little bit of fun discrimination in.


Even if they were communists or had communist sympathies, who cares? I am pretty sure Oppenheimer did way more for the country than McCarthy. We should persecute/prosecute for illegal things they do, not for their political leanings.


McCarthy accused 12,000 people of being Communists.

Of those 12,000, fewer than 1000 were actually members of the Communist Party. Many of the accused (an estimated 5000) were just gay (at a time when that was still illegal).

Of those 12,000, fewer than a dozen were actually spies for the Soviets.

McCarthy leaked more classified information in his hunt for Communists than the spies actually did.


...and? it's a free country, not a paradise for William F. Buckley


I never liked him. It's just a fact that America was full of communists before the liberal-tankie split when it no longer was socially acceptable to be a communist since they started pasting protesters with tanks.




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