Lol, keep dreaming man, I can tell you that no sane person of any importance holding Chinese passport, especially in sectors USA is so allergic about, like semiconductors, AI, biotech, etc, will want to travel the US, after all these BS:
- Political motivate kidnapping of Huawei CFO meng wanzhou to be used as human hostage to pressure China to accept trade deals, or murder and kill off Huawei as a company because they made 5G which USA says a Chinese person have not right to make (Funny they say all human beings have equal rights and freedom to achieve their dreams, I guess Chinese people are not human in the eyes of civilized USA)
- 100s of witch hunts against Chinese American citizens, causing many to lose their life long research and reputation. One committed suicide.
- The treatment of Chinese companies, entrepreneurs, business leaders, even of non Chinese nationals like Singaporean Shou Zi Chew.
- States like Texas require people traveling to China to report their whereabouts, everyone they interact with every single day
- Arbitrary arrests and unfair sentencing saying they are Chinese spies. Arbitrary detention and revoking visas of people traveling to China, who were their just to see their families.
It does not take a special notice from the government that if you travel to the US you might not come back.
You can freely travel, enjoy life in China, or any other country who is not hostile to China. Jack Ma is having his field day in China, but poor Chinese American citizens researchers are locked up or have their career destroyed, or Meng wanzhou locked up in the US if China didn't use all the state resources to save her.
I thought you have freedom to choose want to do in life, to make a living. Now, even if you do farming, or build a farming factories in the USA, giving US citizens good paying jobs, US government want to lock you up.
Can you please not post in the flamewar style to HN? Swipes like "Lol, keep dreaming man" are against the site guidelines, and getting into nationalistic spats is not what HN is for. When you post like this, you're just inviting even worse from others (unintentionally of course). That's how we end up with degraded responses like https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=43226552.
Worse, you've been repeatedly posting nationalistic flamewar comments in recent weeks. This is bad. I understand the frustrations, but this is no way to make your case.
There's an extra burden on commenters who are representing a minority view, especially when the topic is divisive. That's arguably unfair, but it doesn't make it ok to break the rules, and it's not in your interest to do that.
You will be surprised to learn then that it's fallen dramatically. Like in just the last 5 years the perception is completely different, especially among young people.
There are 1.4B Chinese. Like obviously some will want to move away. The question is, per capita, what is the rate of locals fleeing away from each country.
Sure, but this is a statistic Beijing is not even trying to improve: at least during the last 10 years, Beijing sees Westerners as a threat and rarely offers them citizenship or permanent residency.
I doubt people who work in cutting edge areas want to leave, not because of national security but because China is now pumping a lot of money into the areas. Those are the people who are willing to work on a 997 schedule anyway.
And yes there are still a lot of Chinese who do want to go to US, but from other areas.
Why am I reading this hysterical, racist garbage on Hacker News? This might play well with your little pink friends, but please don't think you'll find an appreciative audience here.
Attacking another user like this, no matter how badly they broke the site guidelines themselves, is absolutely not ok on Hacker News. Please don't do it again, and please stop posting flamewar comments to HN generally.
Meng Wanzhou was roaming in beautiful Vancouver BC while awaiting judgment on the extradition request. Meanwhile China was keeping random Canadian citizens it arrested in retaliation in some dungeon.
Either way the US did not kidnap her.
Since her case never went to trial we don't know if she is guilty or not.
Anyways, this is what a rule of law looks like. It's possible the original request was politically motivated but there's still a independent judicial system at work. In China there's none of that. Sometimes the rule of law gets things wrong but that's still way ahead than the arbitrary "justice" of totalitarian countries.
I'm not sure what point you're trying to make here.
Yes. Everyone knows I'm referring to the two Michaels.
The party that is rogue in this whole story is China. Even if the conduct of the US authorities here is/was suspect the retaliatory arrests is how the Mafia operates. I am not a fan of the way the US and Canada behaved here but at the end of the day for the most part Meng Wanzhou was not locked up, she had a luxury wait while the slow wheels of justice grind. It's almost certain there was some funny business from the Huawei side here as well since naturally they wouldn't care less about violating US sanctions.
The law and the rule of law in free and democratic countries can be abused. But it's still way ahead of the other option.
I am not an American. So that's one off your combo.
I was also not silent or defensive of the specific action of arresting her. I thought that was a mistake by Canada and said so at the time. I still think so. I'm not denying anything?
I still stand by what I said though about the rogue actor here being China. That is a big picture statement. It means that even if the actions of the US or Canada were wrong, they were within what we consider the rule of law. China's retaliatory actions were not. I'll take the rule of law over a dictatorship any day with all its problems.
Not only Americans are complicit through their silence, denials, and defens
for example, i've referenced a very famous poem by a Chinese liberal:
> If I am doomed to die in war in this life, then let me be a ghost under the precision-guided bombs of the United States. - Written on the 15th day of the Iraq War.
back to the topic
> It means that even if the actions of the US or Canada were wrong, they were within what we consider the rule of law.
first, discovered foreign spys are assets just prepared for situations like this, if 'my' spys were arrested by 'your' authority, 'I' will arrest yours and make a deal to exchange, except in this situation Meng is not a spy but a important business women
second, if it's wrong, but it's within the rule of law, doesn't it mean the rule of law is 'wrong'?
and, what do you think about hunter biden and trump donald, are they guilty? is it 'the rule of law' that they are free of judgment? or did the rule of law judged they are not guilty?
Everyone spies on everyone but when an American businessman is arrested the UK or when a Spanish businessman is arrested in Australia, something that I'll bet you has happened many times, generally speaking the US will not grab British "spies" and throw them in the dungeon pending the release of their businessman.
I will concede this was a very high profile extradition request but if let's say Sir James Dyson is arrested on charges of fraud in the US the UK is not going to grab CIA spies and throw them in the dungeon. If he did commit fraud in the US he would likely go to jail. Maybe he'll serve his jail term in the UK. Maybe he'll be pardoned through some diplomacy.
What your describing is something that would have been a practice of sorts during the cold war between Russia and the US. Essentially something you do when you're at war.
EDIT: I'm not familiar enough with the Hunter Biden case but possibly something fishy was going on (e.g. this laptop suddenly appearing). Trump is... Trump. The rule of law is not perfect, people in power can get away with things the rest of us can't, but nothing is perfect. In place without the rule of law many people just disappear and you have no recourse and people in power get away with a lot more.
You've been using HN primarily (even exclusively) for nationalistic battle. You've also been breaking the site guidelines in all sorts of other ways. Since we've asked you repeatedly not to do this and you've ignored those requests, I've banned the account.
If you don't want to be banned, you're welcome to email hn@ycombinator.com and give us reason to believe that you'll follow the rules in the future. They're here: https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html.
I mean every country has their epstein. western media likes to pick the chinese ones cause they make a good china bad story.
Hundreds of chinese like myself travel from and to china each year, I'm surprised it's hard for you to imagine regular chinese people can enjoy life in china.
- Political motivate kidnapping of Huawei CFO meng wanzhou to be used as human hostage to pressure China to accept trade deals, or murder and kill off Huawei as a company because they made 5G which USA says a Chinese person have not right to make (Funny they say all human beings have equal rights and freedom to achieve their dreams, I guess Chinese people are not human in the eyes of civilized USA)
- 100s of witch hunts against Chinese American citizens, causing many to lose their life long research and reputation. One committed suicide.
- The treatment of Chinese companies, entrepreneurs, business leaders, even of non Chinese nationals like Singaporean Shou Zi Chew.
- States like Texas require people traveling to China to report their whereabouts, everyone they interact with every single day
- Arbitrary arrests and unfair sentencing saying they are Chinese spies. Arbitrary detention and revoking visas of people traveling to China, who were their just to see their families.
It does not take a special notice from the government that if you travel to the US you might not come back.
You can freely travel, enjoy life in China, or any other country who is not hostile to China. Jack Ma is having his field day in China, but poor Chinese American citizens researchers are locked up or have their career destroyed, or Meng wanzhou locked up in the US if China didn't use all the state resources to save her.
I thought you have freedom to choose want to do in life, to make a living. Now, even if you do farming, or build a farming factories in the USA, giving US citizens good paying jobs, US government want to lock you up.