Very wrong conclusions.

They are not scared of people, but of working, doing their job, especially when it is difficult (catching criminals). They expect the job to be done for them by others, on the expense of everyone, while they collecting all the praise.

On sympathetic to Vance I did not really found a presentable reaction, would not find on any other accidentally agreeable sentence leaving his mouth (very low chance btw.). Talking a lot about all kind of things sooner or later will hit something acceptable, which will not yield an unacceptable and destructive to society figure sympathetic.

You also should be aware of practices and conducts the various US security services practice (and probably all governemnts out there), if not from news or law but at least from the movies. When we come to the topic of who is afraid of their own.

Exactly, it's the same thing with the Chat Control law in the EU and it reminds me of the scene in the movie Office Space where the consultants are trying to figure out who is doing what in the company.

Basically instead of doing their jobs, the cops expect Apple, Meta et al to intercept all the data, then feed it into some kind of AI black box (not done by them but contracted out to someone else at the taxpayer's expense) that will then decide if you get arrested within the next 48H (I am exaggerating but only slightly)

What are the cops doing instead of doing their jobs? That's my question. Aren't they paid to go out and catch the criminals or do they simply expect to get the identity of people each day that need to be investigated?

Well put. It's pretty much impossible to sympathize with Vance saying this when the administration he is a part of is scaremongering about "the enemy within".

Governments should be scared of their people, though not in the way that I expect Vance means.

It's certainly better than the opposite, where citizens and residents are scared of their government, which wields the power to deprive them of their freedom, possessions, and life.

>Governments should be scared of their people, though not in the way that I expect Vance means.

A guillotine once in a while for some politicians/bureaucrats will do some good. There is a rich history of the French doing it. I'm not even trying to be funny.

I think the US government has made these kinds of requests too, similar tactics such as mass data collection without a warrant and so on.

I don't think it is "scared" as much as just the usual human desire to do whatever the task is ... without thinking of the consequences.

Then Vance should do something about the 5 eyes which is likely the source of this sort of thing.

On our continent, the obvious solution to every problem under the sun is "more state".

The unspoken part of that is Vance likely thinks that the people should fear their government.

True.

It's a very unwise position Vance takes.

The world would clearly be better run if all governments feared their people, than it would if all people fear their governments.

The UK can pull this kind of stuff precisely because they do not fear any consequences from their people.

To give you a counterpoint: from this side of the pond it is extremely surprising to see how effective Vance's speech has been in distracting a good proportion of the American public. Which, I have to suspect, was the real point.

I am unsympathetic to those that lecture others on not doing the very thing they are doing.

You might be unaware of FATCA, then.

What the fuck? They should be. They absolutely aren't right now and that's a major problem.

lol. ask JD Vance what he thinks about Assange or Snowden.

This unexpected news really cemented that point for him.