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New York can hardly be called "the US" culturally


Nowhere in the US can be really. It's not as diverse culturally as "Europe" but it's more diverse than most countries by a lot.


This just in: huge country has a pluralistic cultural identity


Why?


Yeah how American is hip hop anyway?


Hip Hop has shifted as much as America has. The only big 2020s hip hop artist from NY is Cardi B. Then you have to realize she's mostly a pop act -- a majority of hip hop heads don't listen to female artists.


Yeah Cardi B is pop music.

And whoever heard of Lauryn Hill, Salt-n-Peppa, Erykah Badu, Eve, Lil Kim, Queen Latifah, Missy Elliot?


You're talking about basically 30 years ago.

That's an entire previous generation. Not speaking disrespectfully but none of who you mentioned have mainstream cultural relevance in _today's hip hop_. Kim and Missy come closest.

If your argument is going to be that New York is the cultural center of hip hop, who from New York is representing today's hip hop? Who is selling the albums?


My argument was that one of the most American things ever (hip hop) is actually rooted in NY.

The rest is a response to 'hip hop heads don't listen to female artists' so I mentioned a bunch of heavyweights. This can degenerate into 'no real scotsman' so whatever.

There is today a whole lot of pop artists that use hip hop aesthetics, but as usual the real stuff is very much underground.


The fallacy is actually named "No True Scotsman" for whatever that's worth.


C'mon really? In the Book of Fallacies they used the other word? Talk about pedantism.


Native New Yorker now living in the real America vouching for the accuracy of this comment.

The majority of the US shops at WalMart. New York City doesn't even have one.


But we have many Target. The K-Mart closed :(


The rest of America finds Target too expensive and also kind of overrated.




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