Even just forced sterilization and abortions, which you admitted and rebranded as “enforcing family planning”, is genocide under international law.
> Parents rotate through reeducation for a few months, temporary seperation in interim, family reunited after.
Your few months claim is false. But let’s say it isn’t - are you really claiming this is okay? “Yea they just kidnap your children for a few months”. You clearly don’t have kids to minimize what this is and what it would do to the parents and children.
> Nor large number of deaths... barely any
Barely any that China admits. Of course they kept the area locked down, kept international agencies away, and admit nothing to keep the lie going. But numerous survivors have corroborated programs of torture and killings. You have to be naive or a CCP shill to think there were “barely any deaths”.
Sorry but you’re outing yourself here with this unfactual take that a few web searches easily disprove.
No, genocide is conditional on intention to destroy. Which PRC policy isn't. It's just boring family planning that always applied to Han, that minorities historically got to opt out due to affirmative action, now equally applied to Uyhghurs with 3+ kids. Meanwhile Uyghur population contiues to increase, and family planning still limits Uyghurs and minorities to 3 kids like every other ethnic group, aka positive TFR / mathematically impossible to actually eliminate a minority. Hence it's retarded to think this satisfies definition for genocide, and why US propaganda campaign failed so hard. Because anyone except the most brain rot liberal world ordertard realize it's coercize integration/sinicization but not genocide. If PRC wanted to actually genocide Uyghurs, with their industrial capacity, they can do it in a weekend, instead they spent trillions retraining the populous and subsidize regions QoL. It's stupid to think it's genocide for the simple reason reducing 55 PRC minorities to 54 looks bad for Xi's hagiography.
>few months claim is false
Except it's true, most gets put through a few months of patriotic education to scare them from fundemental salafisim/salafijihadism. PRC doesn't have the money to waste interning million+ like US prison industrial complex forever because jailing people is profitable. I didn't say it was "OK", I just said a few months of scaring people straight at "don't be bad muslim camp" is much better/expedient/ethical than bombs. It's not minimizing, it's acknowledging that's better than kids spending years being afraid of the blue sky because some drone operator on CONUS can end you any time. And frequently do. Besides Han migrant parents are away from their kids for years, Uyghur kids can handle a few months living with relatives while their parents learn how to raise them to not commit terroism or go do a factory rotation in another province and bring home a years wage in a few months.
>Barely any
Barely any that US intelligence or anyone can find, barely any that even US propaganda under Pompeo didn't try to spin mass deaths because again it would have been absurd to even try. By survivors you mean atrocity propagandist begging for VISAs, idiots like Sayragul Sauytbay who "did not personally see violence" at the camps in 2018 to "inmates were flayed, raped by guards in front of other prisoners, and given injections that made them infertile" in 2019. You would have be naive to believe obvious attrocity propaganda. And even more delusional than a CIA shill to believe there were extreme deaths like scale of Gaza or GWOT since even POMPEO's CIA propaganda DOESN'T try to spin mass death. Like the most retarded anti-CCP/PRC "thinktanks" estimate for deaths is single digit thousands throughout XJ internment phase... for reference ~4000 prisoners die in US prisons every year i.e. the 4 years of XJ "reeduction" statistically killed less than US prisons during same time period.
So let that settle in, your positions are literally more ridiculous than what lying Pompeo is willing to propagandize. Claiming otherwise is not just not factual but delusional beyond even already delusional propaganda. It's outing the sheer unhingedness of your worldview, which TBH explains how you think XJ is worse atrocity than GWOT or Gaza when XJ is objectively one of the most "humane" integration campaigns in human history. Humane =/= clean, just historically when integrating a minority, much more blood was shed and destruction was wrought over much longer period of time, and the minority populations generally weren't still growing while per capita GDP roughly doubles, oh and terrorist attacks basically eliminated for 1350 million people... which you seem to think is important enough for 10 million large Israel to rationalize their response.
I am not convinced by your framing and some of the factual claims you have made. I am able to find sources that disagree. But in an effort to be curious - do you have any sources of your own (like news articles or research or documents or videos or whatever) that support the things you're claiming here and in your other messages?
Literally just google translate through the "primary" sources US propaganda cites, and strip away any biased analysis. All you'll find is boring leaked CCP policy and procurement documents that states exactly what PRC was doing, big securitization/derardicalization/sinicization project after decades of Uyghur terrorist attacks which has been tracked by global terrorism database. If want to compare this to Israel's situation / antiterrorism framing, that's all the source one needs.
Go through this list, look at the timeline. Look what happens after "Strike Hard" campaign started ~2015 during peak Uyghur/Turkestan/ETIM attacks in the years prior. Click show expanded to see the attack type, all of them explosives/vehicles/knife attacks. TLDR PRC won their war on terror in a few years. MENA leaders who has to deal with the same takes notice and golf claps.
Of course fixing domestic terrorism with extreme prejudice is permissible, so you get all the laundered/reintrepretted propaganda US funded by state department, again headed by we lied, we cheat, we stole Pompeo to disagree and try to paint as genocide. Go to the horses mouth and read state department releases or Zenz garbage on jamestown and see where they allege mass deaths, they don't, just trying to link a few deaths, which is statistically inevitable in project this size to... somehow genociding Uyghurs, as in trying to elimnate a minority. Boring reality if you prase through inscrutable boring CCP technocrat writing intead of propaganda by "sources that disagree" are documents showing heavy handed attempt to filter individuals with high extremist indicators (i.e. systematic targetting not arbiturary, why 11/12 of Ugyhurs didn't get Chinese school camp treatment), throw them in a reeducation centre until they aren't extremist or too scared to be (for most this is few months), and follow up with poverty alleviations program to get idle poor busy/not poor so they aren't thinking about jihad. That's it. No ones being wiped out, even the dumbest US propaganda doesn't pretend so. Uyghurs are being deradicalized/sinicized not liquidated.
Queue a few years ago, most of XJ propaganda stopped. Why, because the campaign ended successfully. Hence all the new tourism propaganda, because region is safe now and most back in society, cowed, but doing their thing. The small % of most recalcitrant got sent to prison for long ass sentences. Then the pivot was to "coerced" labour, that western MSM propagandized into "slave" labour because CCP news was bragging about 500k Tibetans or 1M Uyghurs being sent through the rural labour transfer programs... literally a poverty alleviation program that's been around for 20 years, in most provinces that 10s of millions of Han already went through. There's just too much stupidity to go through on topic. Search rural-to-urban labor transfer studies from before 2010s... lots of academic writings on the initiative, except suddenly when it comes to Uyghurs, it's slave labour, and not giving some rural bumpkin some factory work that pays multiples what they currently make. In case of many Uyghurs/Tibetans, illiterate (as in poor Chinese fluency) that factories normally wouldn't even hire if it wasn't for central gov pressuring them to take on when there's frankly more qualified Han laborers without language barrier. When ~40% of PRC lives on disposable income of 1000rmb per month, these Uyghurs are being paid multiple that. Like even entire XJ cotton smear campaign, where Zenz asserts workers were being screwed (because capitalism) when their take home still ened up being 2-4x local per capita gdp (Awat region).
For family planning, go read up on PRC "family planning policy", i.e. the formal name, not 1/2/3 child policy. Look at how minorities were exempt and then not under new minority policy (under Pan Yue)... TLDR is fusion (after US melting pot assimilationism) model where minorities get treated the same as Han (read: sinicization). Previous policy based on soviet oblast model aka multiculturalism. Which after decades, failed to end seccessionism (including HK). So now everyone gets to be equal with Han, though of course in practice not equitable.
Final final question:
Are you Chinese yourself? If so, have you visited any of these regions (Xinjiang or Tibet)? Do you prefer living China or would you prefer somewhere else?
I’m also curious what things you follow for information usually since it is probably different from mine (like news websites or YouTube channels or whatever).
Even just forced sterilization and abortions, which you admitted and rebranded as “enforcing family planning”, is genocide under international law.
> Parents rotate through reeducation for a few months, temporary seperation in interim, family reunited after.
Your few months claim is false. But let’s say it isn’t - are you really claiming this is okay? “Yea they just kidnap your children for a few months”. You clearly don’t have kids to minimize what this is and what it would do to the parents and children.
> Nor large number of deaths... barely any
Barely any that China admits. Of course they kept the area locked down, kept international agencies away, and admit nothing to keep the lie going. But numerous survivors have corroborated programs of torture and killings. You have to be naive or a CCP shill to think there were “barely any deaths”.
Sorry but you’re outing yourself here with this unfactual take that a few web searches easily disprove.