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So ... is a restaurant considered a small business? Where do you draw the line on initial investment?


Depends on what kind of restaurant.

But the point is that a business model that is "profitable" but actually took millions in initial capital and has no provision for debt service isn't an actually profitable business model.


That’s what I’m asking. Most businesses take startup capital, but where do you draw the line?

If it takes 10mil of funding to get off the ground and it would also take any competitor that to catch up… then you have a moat and can basically make money forever.

Even if you wanted to get into money transfers, the licensing alone is around 1million, and you haven’t even written any software yet or gotten any infrastructure. You can also “rent” someone else’s license but then your margins go out the window.

So, I’m not sure what the point is here. Some types of businesses require capital to start, even if they never scale.


The point is that capital has a cost.

If you’re not carrying the cost of that capital on the books you’re not “making money” at all.


What kind of restaurant takes tens of millions to start? Most estimates I'm aware of are less than 1 or 2 million at the very most.


I imagine some of the themed restaurants in Disney cost at least that much.


Having worked at those, they are shoestring to the core. Guests see beauty, behind it is paper mache and $8/hr college students whose wages are garnished for rent and class fees.


At Disneyland? Where there’s a union for food and beverage workers?

> We perform everything from preparing and creating treats like turkey legs and churros to serving grant and exquisite meals at the famous and exclusive Club 33. If you are eating in the parks, our members are making that happen.

https://workersunited.org/joint-boards/local-50


Disney college program makes up a good portion of workers, and they are not a part of the union.

Edit - looks like 5% but they can only work the unskilled food service etc


A themed restaurant at Disney isn't exactly a small business...


Depending on the restaurant, those may not be independent businesses at all - they may just be one of the attractions at the park.


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