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I'm guessing that you live on one of the coasts and mostly associate with certain classes of people? In the real world, people are not at each others throats. They're mostly interested in talking about their kids, the price of milk, sportsball and debating the best way to prepare briquet.

Take a deep breath, we're all gonna be okay.




I take it you don't know any trans people, gay people, or those whose lives depend on government services.

While you are preparing brisket they are expecting to lose rights and have friends taken away. For them it is not going to be ok.


My comments just went right over your head. Didn't comprehend a word I wrote. It honestly makes me sad.

Everything will be okay, nobody is losing their rights. Try getting out of California/NYC some time.


People have lost rights/freedoms over the course of the last 8 years though.


Which constitutional rights have Americans lost over the past eight years?


So it has to be enumerated in the constitution to be considered a freedom lost?

Moving the goal post there isn't it?

I believe it's arguably clear the right to privacy and freedom of movement have been attacked/stripped though and those are constitutional rights.


Interesting that you think to have the authority to tell others what “the real world” actually is. That doesn’t seem to work.

Maybe you should try to get out of the technofacist mindset?


It is day one and trans people can no longer get a federal id matching how they look.

Fuck right off about "gonna be okay", asshole.


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My comments just went right over your head. Didn't comprehend a word I wrote. It honestly makes me sad.

Let's be specific:

In the "Gender" executive order, Sec 2(a) and Sec 3(d), the administration has set it up so that the passport, global entry, social security, or other identity document of any transgender American citizen can be scrutinized, denied in the future, or in an expansive reading, retroactively revoked.

Since all such changes require documentation, there is almost certainly a list of all such people, unless the previous administration was clever enough to destroy it.

For example, a valid document for this man https://www.uri.edu/news/wp-content/uploads/news/sites/16/20... (picked at random, a picture of an openly trans man who has stated as such on a website), can no longer list an M. A document with an M on it is subject to government scrutiny, for example at any border crossing or other location where identity may be verified. The government may now argue that such a document is not valid. If he has no documents with such an M marker, he can no longer obtain them. Additionally, he must use the women's room, per sec (4).

"We're all gonna be okay!" The federal government is simply subjecting trans people to increased scrutiny, limiting their freedom of speech and expression and their freedom of movement. "Nobody's gonna lose their rights."

But hey, enjoy your brisket, right? How's the price of milk doing?


How is having your biological sex on an Id card a violation of your rights? Shouldn't they be accurate as possible?

There's no laws in America about how one dresses and presents themselves as long as its not a false identity.

Anyways, weren't you just arguing that IDs shouldn't even be required for trivial inconsequential stuff like voting?


Why not just list chromosomes?

I mean, descriptive information on an ID isn't used for like tying someones appearance to their name or anything, right?

So it makes sense for the news to say something like "the police are searching for a female suspect 5'9" " despite them looking similar to the person in rpearl's example.

That description will really help the public identify or be on the look out for that female, right?


People with a trans belief shouldn't be given extra privileges over everyone else, such as being allowed to record false information on government-issued ID. Changing the sex on your ID documents is like changing your date of birth. It is quite simply incorrect.


What's an ID for? Identifying someone or to list arbitrary information about a person, like political affiliation, faith, natural born citizen or immigrant?




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