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> Ultimately this is the basis for governance

That's a myth / fantasy of gun and violence zealots and anti-liberals.

Obviously, to scholars and to anyone looking at the world, the basis for governance is consent. There are not enough guns in the world to do it otherwise. And I've never and I don't know anyone who has ever done something because the government pointed a gun at them. They did it because they are law-abiding people, social beings, and want a fair, ordered society.




> the basis for governance is consent

For governance, perhaps, but not for government.

A trivial example: I do not consent to the authority of my city, county, state, or country. I have withheld that consent my entire life, and yet all those levels of government continue to not only exist, but to grow.


You're weird. Humans normally, almost all consent.


… and those humans who do not consent are coerced by any means necessary, up to and including force.


I don't suspect that OP fails to understand the importance of consent, but I do suspect that you fail to understand the importance of lawful carefully-target violence.


I understand the fantasy of a world where sociality doesn't exist. Maybe nerds find it easier to calculate, not understanding the social part well at all.


If our police departments and jails were disbanded and torn down, would that constitute an improvement or a worsening of our society in your opinion?


always a sign of a winning argument when you call your interlocutors nerds


It's not an insult to me; is it to you?




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