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> Yes, true

No, not true. Nothing in any of the provided sources says that Tomahawks have ever been given to Eastern Europe nor that there is any intention to. Ukraine has requested them, but your own source says that Ukraine is "unlikely" to receive them.

> Tomahawks used in the illegal attacks on Yugoslavia

They put an end to 10 years of wars in Yugoslavia and brought a lasting peace to the region. In worst massacres, more people were killed by Serbs over a single weekend than died in the entire NATO aerial bombardment campaign that lasted several months.

> Russians deploying Russian nuclear weapons on Russian territory, versus Americans deploying NATO nuclear weapons on non-NATO territory: whats the difference?

Again, nothing you say is true. No-one has given anyone Tomahawks, but Russia has deployed their missiles to Belarus: "Putin confirms first nuclear weapons moved to Belarus" https://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-65932700

> That depends - do you want to die in a thermonuclear blast?

That's the question Russians should ask themselves when they keep pushing westwards with their nukes and attacks on European countries. Do Russians want to die in a thermonuclear blast that they act so recklessly?



>No, not true. Nothing in any of the provided sources

Read my words again: the threat was made. Russia responded to that threat, as the notion that nuclear-capable missiles would be deployed on borders within minutes of Moscow was deemed intolerable, and thus the deployment was cancelled.

>They put an end to 10 years of wars in Yugoslavia and brought a lasting peace to the region.

How many years of war occurred between the coup-government of Ukraine and the territory of Donbass before Russia invaded? And, again, the duplicity of your argument is clear: illegal wars are 'okay' as long as they result in peace and quiet afterwards?

That's not working out much for Gaza though, is it?

> No-one has given anyone Tomahawks,

I didn't say they did - I said that the threat to do so was made, and it was made - and as a result, we have war and calamity in Europe where we could have had a real, lasting peace between aligned nations.

If not for that coup.

>Russia has deployed their missiles to Belarus

Ah, and the USA has deployed their missiles all over Europe - so do allies have a right to engage in military agreements, or do they not?

You can't have it both ways. This is the entire point of MAD, which you seem to think doesn't apply to Washington, but does to Moscow.


How many years of war occurred between the coup-government of Ukraine and the territory of Donbass before Russia invaded?

There was no coup d'état.

Simply put - it's a false narrative.


>There was no coup d'état.

Yes, there was.


No, it's just a meme.

See also: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=40481317


> Read my words again: the threat was made.

You are making things up at this point. Eastern Europe has no Tomahawks, and nor has anyone given any indication that this would change, nor does the extreme caution in supplying much weaker weapons give a reason to even speculate about Tomahawks.

However, supplying more advanced weapons to Ukraine would be justified, given that Russia has broken the promises given to Ukraine in exchange for dismantling their nuclear weapons. I hope to see it happen!

> How many years of war occurred between the coup-government of Ukraine and the territory of Donbass before Russia invaded?

Zero. The European Court of Human Rights has ruled that there were no "separatists" in Donbas except for unmarked members of Russian armed forces and security services, fully under Russian command. And as in Yugoslavia, many lives could've been saved if NATO was more assertive in bombing the aggressor and establishing peace instead of looking the other way.

> Ah, and the USA has deployed their missiles all over Europe

American missiles stand where they stood when Nixon was still in office and countries that have joined alliances since the Cold War host none of them.


>Eastern Europe has no Tomahawks, and nor has anyone given any indication that this would change

Indications:

https://nationalinterest.org/blog/buzz/tomahawk-cruise-missi...

https://euromaidanpress.com/2024/11/22/potential-envoy-to-uk...

https://www.politico.eu/article/volodymyr-zelenskyy-confirms...

"“We know the plan is realistic. U.S. own military studied it and said it is realistic,” a Ukrainian official familiar with the matter told POLITICO when granted anonymity to be able to speak about a sensitive foreign policy issue."

Pay attention to the dates.

>American missiles stand where they stood when Nixon was still in office and countries that have joined alliances since the Cold War host none of them.

Why abandon involvement in a treaty designed to prevent proliferation, if not to proliferate?

https://www.iiss.org/online-analysis/online-analysis/2024/08...

Oh, and about those treaties ..

https://carnegieendowment.org/posts/2021/12/the-us-exit-from...


The quote you picked is from Ukrainians who are requesting Tomahawks.

US responses in the articles you linked:

1) "the U.S. and NATO are hesitant to endorse due to fears of nuclear escalation."

2) "I don’t see the Biden administration ready to do so yet."

3) "senior U.S. official described the Ukrainian request as totally unfeasible."




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