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They want your ethics for $105 (ntietz.com)
116 points by zdw on Nov 1, 2024 | hide | past | favorite | 50 comments


I've had similar experiences. I have a few browser extensions and other similar tidbits that I've built, and every now and then I get an email with an offer to sell it for a hundred bucks or so. Sell full scripting access to every user who installed something I made over the years? It makes me sad that that's the kind of world we're in, and sadder still knowing that surely there are people somewhere out there who do accept these bids.


Makes me sad there are people making the offer.

It's pretty clear we're screwed as a civilization. As tech gets more powerful, the same people making these offers as well as the same people doing cyberlockers, etc will do the same with bio-tech, nano-tech and anything else then can extort others with. They'll infect you with virus to which only they have the antidote, etc....


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It is most certainly not the only way to evolve and more importantly, while it can be cost effective short term, it is destructive long term. Long term everyone loses, and a concious intelligent being taking control of an evolutionary process should know not to partake in selfish destructive behaviour, otherwise is it really intelligent?


How do you know there is any ‘way to evolve’ ? Let alone multiple…

It’s possible for all promising pathways to last for hundreds of millions of years and then hit a dead end… just because a really big comet came by or some other random event.


Anything that ensures you have higher success in reproduction than others causes your traits to be over-expressed in the next generation, where if these traits are passed onto your offspring somehow, be it because they are genetically encoded, socially encoded and you have social contact with your offspring to a degree where you pass these behavioural traits on etc. then any of those things will count as an avenue through which your lineage, and therefor your species, can evolve. Now, the traditional evolutionary pressures, coming from environmental stressors have largely not impacted our species in quite some time. Don't like the climate? do we evolve because some people are better sutied and therefore reproduce more readily? no. We built climate control. We have some pathogen, where some folks are less susceptible to the pathogen? no. We develop medication to fight the disease.

However, we do have socio-economic pressures which are not being dealt with through technology like we deal with environmental pressures, so these still exist, and are complicated. Arguably more complicated than ever before. There's your economic strategy, social strategy, migratory strategy etc. all of which impact your and your offspring's reproductive success, in turn creating evolutionary pressures that lead to entrenching certain traits.

Evolution stops only when the current average is the best suited to the current environment, or when the current environment removes all selective pressure.


Did you reply to the wrong comment? If not, how does this relate to my previous question?


>How do you know there is any ‘way to evolve’ ? Let alone multiple…

I explained what evolution is and why there are many avenues through which evolutionary pressures can arise and cause change. If the explanation is beyond you, that could be a me issue, it might be you didnt read things properly, it could be the knowledge gap between us is bigger than either of us realise. Either way, I've asked an llm (local and chatgpt) to explain my comment like I am 5, and it does a good job, so try querying an llm on the topic, getting it to help bridge the gap.

*edit* ive done the same for your comment and llms seem to indicate you were trying to raise a what-if scenario of "what if all this evolution happens and is nullified by a catastrophe"

if that was your take/question/contribution we are done here, as that's not a useful or thought provoking question. What if the sun blows up tomorrow. What if it is all a false vacuum and true vacuum forms in my big toe tomorrow and space time itself unravels before i can so much as fart. If thats our line of thinking we should stop wasting our time and join a monsatry, join others in a long standing tradition of indulging a pointless and arbitrary whatif.


If you have no restrictions you have no need to evolve .....


An intelligent species would extrapolate forward and realize that the ruthless pursuit of infinite resource expenditure is a guaranteed path to annihilation. If the game is self-destruction, then the winning move is not to play.


We aren't going to run out of efficiency gains anytime soon. And with a declining population projected, the whole infinite resources argument is less important since we can grow per person with less people


How do you get an intelligent species??


We should ask them when we meet them.


Eusociality is a counterexample to your assertion.


No? That is an evolved adaption to a world with adversaries and a need to survive.


At that price, Google, Microsoft et al should get ahead of the game and pay the developers the pittance to ensure stability of their plugin ecosystem


"Google offered me a pittance to take over and then kill my extension" doesn't make for a good headline. They'd rather just nuke the malicious extension when they get notified of its sketchy behaviour.


What kinds of contracts do these come with? I imagine they also expect you to keep quiet about it?


Keep in mind, this is what happened to The Great Suspender lol


I hope they got more than $105 to sell out their userbase.


>We'll send you $105 through the sketchiest way possible, PayPal, to make sure you feel like you're getting scammed, because you are!

What are the good ways to be sent approximately this sum of money nowadays?


The friends & family payment method in PayPal is risky to send money, cause there's no chargebacks or fraud prevention.

For receiving money, it would be great, for the same reasons.


If I want to send money to someone I trust, I'd ask for their IBAN and do a bank transfer. Now, that cannot be reversed, so I really would have to trust them.

(Also, I'm assuming that both bank accounts are in SEPA countries, or at the very least countries which use IBAN, because in my life, that's likely to be true.)


Note that although the transfer itself doesn't have a recall mechanism, the recipient's identity is accessible to judges and lawyers and police officers if you got scammed.


As long as you don’t do PayPal friends & family and always do goods & services, you won’t get scammed.


Unless you're the one receiving the money in which case it's the other way round


I’ve never had an issue on either dude of it tbh


either side* what a bizarre typo ha


Depending on context: Monero, Bitcoin Lightning, or your preferred ERC20 stablecoin.


/s?

Can't even tell


Ethereum


Airwallex, Stripe, Wise,

Direct bank transfer (which above will support OR just a regular bank)

Requires trust yeah (except maybe the regular stripe credit card txn)


This is an especially sad offer since $105 is not a lot of money for a developer. These scammers need to revise their strategy.


It's for one blog post so the audience is random blog owners, not developers. Prices for e.g. taking over an established browser extension would probably be higher.


I'd think so too, but a top comment mentions hundred dollar offers for the author's extensions. I guess some devs will take that over earning nothing from an extension.


I think that's really cute that the author of the article thinks that reporting something to the FTC might be something he could do, as if the originators of this aren't working in the overseas scam equivalent of a call center that's effectively beyond US legal reach. There is no "Ben".


Is there ROI for paying $105 for a single backlink on a blog?


There's a chance that they might stall you and never actually pay (or chargeback the invoice).

That way they'll get a free link for at least some amount of time, and if done at massive scales correctly, it could bump some site up the search results for long enough.


Yes, and, I guess not, but what if Ben is in fact an AI bot and this doesn't cost them any time, and they're never going to pay,

just hoping that some people will forget to unpublish the links after non-payment, or they'll get some links for a while at least


Maybe for an SEO consultant charging thousands.

If the company is fake, it’s also possible they’ll pay you with a stolen credit card or hijacked PayPal account.


I would definitely at least take a look at the "Received from" in SMTP envelope to confirm the physical location of the last real mail server hop (or all of the public ones).

That's great for confirming the physical location of the SMTP server connecting to your own server.


"Only publish things you'd publish otherwise" doesn't make any sense. If you had to be paid, you weren't really going to publish it. If you were really going to publish it anyway, you're deceiving the advertiser by making it seem like you require payment.


I get such emails and offers everyday from SEO guys.


Yeah these are the most boring emails I get. At least the adops guys pretend to use my website before they hit send.


Not taking issue with the overall point of the post - this is icky. Buuut, this:

>More generally, it's bad because it deceives readers into thinking this is an organic link.

This is a huge stretch. Somewhere on the order of 0% of the average blog readers would ever see the type of link used, let alone understand that “oh, that totally shoulda been a no-follow”.

Those aren’t for readers- they’re for robots.


I'd reply "maybe if you add 6 or more zeros to the price, I may consider it" and see what they say.



It could be more ridiculous, they could be in this “business” for those 4$ fees you ought to send them


My interpretation is that they wanted the poster to create an invoice for the $105, plus an additional $4 to cover the fee PayPal charges on invoices. I assume this is so if the terms aren't followed, they can get a refund from PayPal. I don't think they were asking the poster to pay the fee.


Just take the money and never follow up on it.


The article mentions having the OP send a PayPal invoice...

Pretty sure the other side is not gonna pay it unless you follow through (i.e. they could always charge it back and claim you never delivered the invoiced service, heck they might do that even if you put up the link!)




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